Larry Merchant on Hector Camacho......

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JohnThomas1, Sep 30, 2007.


  1. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    To say that Camacho lost his eagerness to exchange post-Rosario perfectly parallels the claim that Leonard lost his eagerness to exchange post-Duran. But those people here who love Leonard but trash Camacho will likely never see the corner they paint themselves into.

    Note, though, how Leonard is praised for fighting a different type of fight after the first Duran encounter. Leonard couldn't beat Duran man-to-man, just as Camacho had trouble with Rosario man-to-man. Yet Camacho is condemned for changing his style to hit-and-clinch while Leonard is praised for changing his style in exactly the same direction.

    A word comes to mind here....
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Well one of them had a stoppage rate of under 50%, while the other actually had 5 or so wins over all time greats. It's sorta like the grand canyon vs a crack in the bedroom wall :yep

    Not even close :nut
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Rubbish post. Leonard traded at various times to beat Kalule and Hearns, planted his feet for a compelling stoppage against Lalonde and looked to trade in Hearns II. These were all bigger men than Leonard.

    What were you saying about painting oneself into a corner? :smoke

    At least Leonard had the gonads to fight his man again ;)
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well said Lethal. That JT, what a hypocrite!
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    John Thomas why are such a hypocrite?
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Says the man who preaches Camacho was past his prime vs Haugen yet Leonard was at his best vs Norris

    :scaredas:
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    are you comparing Haugen with Norris the greatest, fastest, meanest ever superwelter and...hall of famer? If so you shouldn't post here anymore.

    btw, that chics hot but her face is messed up. change the picture until I tell you to stop.
     
  8. Robot16

    Robot16 Keep it Kr0nkn Full Member

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    IMO who cares if he didnt like getting hit, give him credit then for still getting into the ring and boxing alot of fighters.
    He didnt like getting hit but still took that chance.
     
  9. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    It's a boy's face.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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  11. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you recall, the iron chinned Ramirez did assert, in no uncertain terms, that El Chapo was indeed a much harder puncher than the placement specialist Arguello, immediately after their first 12 rounder. (Of course in the eventual rematch, Edwin decked Jose twice, lending further credence to Ramirez's claim.)
    All the more remarkable because, for all of Hector's skirt wearing, cutie style of boxing, and showboating antics, he was a genuinely tough streetfighter in his youth, not the sort to be taken on in a back alley.

    Rosario's right hand off the ropes looked as though it might sent Ed Viruet's jaw flying across the ring, and into the third row. Throughout his first bout with Ramirez, Rosario kept rocking back and forth on his toes, shifting weight continually from left to right leg, shoulders squared up to Ramirez, and he looked as though he was actually driving his punches through Jose's head. (I do consider Jose Luis Ramirez to have an ATG chin at 135.) That Ramirez did box with his shoulders squared up also made it a bit more of a challenge to predict which side his next punch was coming from.

    I do not believe Rosario would be a hall of famer if the 15 round limit had remained in place throughout his career, but that does not mean I take him lightly. He could very definitely punch!
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Love ya work! Rosario is perhaps my favourite lightweight ever, not the best or even close i know, but there was that something about him. I must have watched that right hand vs Viruet 20 times over, lord what a shot. I agree that the Ramirez chin is rock.
     
  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What can you tell me about Chavez-Rosario JT?
    I've not been lucky enough to see it but have heard that Chavez absolutely destroyed Edwin.

    Did Rosario manage to land anything of note on Julio to make it interesting or was it a beat down?

    One fight I did see was Ramirez-Rosario 2 and it was an absolute beauty,automatically one of my favourites after a single viewing.
     
  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i know what you mean. you never knew if he'd come out of it standing or on his back. what a crappy chin.

    and Griffo, Rosario looked resembled a mugging victim after 11 rounds with chavez.
     
  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I agree Leonard was shot to **** but I still disagree that Camacho was some chickent **** track star.