How will our smaller fighters rate in East Side ATG rankings?

I find it hard to believe that a fighter of a prime Roy Jones Jnr doesn't get a rating at lightheavy.

 

Hard to make a case for him anywhere higher than 8th IMO. Beating David Telesco and Julio Gonzalez only gets you so far.

 

When you look who is ahead of him roscoe..its not that big of a surprise.

He really didnt beat to many good fighters at 175..and was unable to get a bout with his main rival during that time.
His two biggest wins were against Hopkins (middleweight) and Toney (supermiddle)..and actually his next one would probably be Ruiz at heavy.

I think losing to guys like Tarver and Johnson does hurt him a little but not to much.

He would make my top 10 h2h for sure...but his resume at the weight is a little thin.

 

Sooky Pants isn't a very tough ring name. He really should have thought of something better

 

Ippy not saying up the top but has to be in the 10. There's plenty of Telescos & Gonzales on most fighters log's Ippy. Go thru Bhops fight log & you"ll find plenty of them, yet he sits in 5th of ATG middles. The fact remains in his prime, Roy was pretty much untouchable. He dismantled Virgil Hill with one body shot. He did it to all the fighters he fought. Beat all of them with natural speed both hand & foot,and fantastic reflexes.
You talk P4P fighters in their prime, Roy Jones Jnr gets a mention.

 

Jones was beaten 2 out of 3 fights by his biggest rival at 175lbs. He ducked the other one. We're not talking P4P. It's his body of work at Lt Heavy, where wins over a faded Mike McCallum, Hill and either Tarver or Reggie Johnson are the highlights.

 

hehe, all you boxrec warriors!

 

'sooky pants' is adaptable to Jeff Smith...

MISTER SOOKY SOILED PANTS is an adaptable title for your Swimwear.....

 

Tszyu is one of the 10 best P4P fighters in the history of boxing.

 

Ippy I'm talking prime, not past versions of Roy. And don't try & tell me he ducked DM. Roy would have walked thru him. Your obviously not a fan as you keep hold of those losses more than his wins. Each to their own.

 

I'm not a great fan, but I can appreciate his achievements. It's just there has been plenty of better Lt Heavy's than him.

 

You have to remember Lt heavy has a deep and rich history...You have a lot of great fighters to consider when rating the division.

 

I here what your both saying. But here's my question, where does a talent of Roy Jones Jnr sit then if its not lightheavy. Amazing talent, speed, skills & power but can't crack a top 10 ATG list at either middle or lightheavy. Doesn't make sense to me especially when he was the P4P king for nearly a decade.

 

Thats the thing..he ranks very high in p4p rankings because he was so successful over a range of weights, not just one in particular.

Id have him probably 12-13 at lightheavy..of course he is top 5 at supermiddle even if he only had like half a dozen fights there.

He also ranks very high for my personal h2h rankings, meaning who likely beats who. No fighter who has fought in the supermiddle division since its creation beats him, very few fighters beat him a middleweight...quite possibly no one. A few guys Id pick to beat him at 175 but not many..As I said he comfortably makes the top 10 H2H there.

Roy has had a fantastic career...but as for his specific reign at 175, performances and names all taken into account, I dont have any issue rankings 10 guys in front of him.

 

What he said...