So let's have some Haye-Valuev breakdowns.

There's enough Haye-Valuev threads going around for you to troll in. take it somewhere else.

 

1. Haye. Probably by stoppage, even.

2. Valuev is slow of fist and foot. Haye brings speed and power, despite his horrible chin and significantly lesser size. Though Valuev's body will clearly be there to be hit, I still suspect Haye will look to take the head off the giant.

3. Some feeling out, I don't expect Haye to rush matters in the first round. That said, we saw what he did to Maccarinelli with his second round finish... so if the opportunity presents itself I would expect him to take his shots. I expect Valuev to be cautious throughout, however, so it will be more tentative early than anything.

4. As said by someone else... isn't it already?

 

Haye will win by wide decision but TKO is possible too. The deciding factor will be Haye's superhuman speed compared to Valuev. For the first three rounds Haye will be careful and elusive and occasionally step in and land combinations to body and head.

 

To win Valuev has to use his reach with the jab and pepper Haye with it. He also needs to tire Haye out with his weight.

To win Haye must box in and out and use his speed to outmaneouver Valuev. He must not overcommit to punches, pace himself well, box technically and keep disciplined. In other words - not fight like David Haye.


Valuev's job is much easier as it is a strategy he is used to.
Valuev ko rd 10.

 

Yep, that's what I was thinking.

If Haye keeps his cool, boxes a smart fight, and follows the framework laid down by EH and others, he should take a close but clear UD.

The big Russian Beast is slow and clumsy as f*ck - however - if he winds up and catches Haye flush on the chin with one of those big Russian Beast right hands - it's goodnight Haye....

 

When did Valuev last knock someone with a pulse out?

Twisted knees dont count.

Haye's stamina cant be so awful that he just keels over by himself...

 

You have a point that Haye isn't a master craftsman, but if haye is "no where near" the skill level of Chagaev and modern day Holyfield, then he is in big trouble. Even against limited 40 year old Savarese where holy looked decent, Holy still showed problems landing accurate combinations and pulling the trigger when he should have. Yes Donald was a highly skilled guy but he had seen better days.

The point is if Haye fights a smart fight he ought to have enough skill combined with his movement and reflexes to outpoint Valuev. If Haye fights stupid and goes for a KO early than stamina would play a big role, but if haye is gonna be a real threat to the Klits he better be able to figure Valuev out.

 

I think most agree that Haye needs to "Stick and Move"
* Can Haye do that for 12 rounds (Stamina)
* Can Haye stay out of Valuevs "wheelhouse" while getting in and out
* When Haye is inside, can he handle 300+ lbs all over him round after round
* Will Hayes chin let him down

* Can Valuev Hit Haye if Haye is moving well
* Can Valuev handle Hayes hand speed
* Will Valuev have enough punch output

I am 60-40 for Valuev. I think this is a HUGE step up for Haye... not that Valuev is more talented but since Haye moved up he has faced Barrett only in 18 months...is ring rust an issue? Valuev is a big step up... literally

 

Not in Germany...unless Don King wants it that way:hey:yep

 

Haye by UD or late TKO.

The deciding factors will be the massive speed difference between the two of both hand and foot. Valuev will go looking for Haye who will be able to see pretty much all of his shots coming and be able to counter with power. Haye is also a vastly underrated body puncher, Valuev's body will be there to hit and he will be able to throw body shots with power rather than the heads shots which he may not get as much on. Valuev has been hurt in the past also.

The first three rounds I think will be a cautious affair but I see Haye's timing will start to click and he will catch Valuevs chin with regular power shots.

 

Question?

Do you think Haye will "Stick and Move" (like most think he should)
or
Do you think Hayes ego might get the best of him and he tries to "Press the action" for a quick Highlight reel KO?

 

If Haye tries and bets the farm on a quick KO I think he will take a huge gamble that will badly backfire. He's be out of breath by round 5-6 instead of round 8-10. If he starts gassing in round 10 he might still be able to win on points. If he falls apart before the middle rounds Valuev will pick him apart in the 2nd half.

 

I'm going for a unanimous decision for Haye.

First 3 rounds.

I think Haye will start off very busy, just looking to land punches to the body. He'll use punches from different angles instead of attacking in a straight line and plenty of head movement-not just side to side but up and down. He won't stay in there too long. In and out movement with angles basically.

As the fight goes on, I can see Haye getting a little tired, there are more clinches, Valuev is able to lean on him, rough him up a bit etc, but Haye will do enough to win.

Having said that, I don't see Haye KO'ing the big man, but of course I can see a knockout for Valuev if he lands clean.

The deciding factors for me:

Haye's footwork and head movement (his footwork is not great, will he have worked on it enough in training?)

Haye's handspeed

Haye's stamina

and of course

How motivated Valuev is. The more this fight builds up the more chance I have been giving Valuev. I still think Haye will win but maybe, just maybe his comments about Valuev will backfire badly and he ends up looking very foolish.

 

I agree... with all of the things everyone is talking about speed, power etc, I think for Haye it comes down to stamina as a key for him. If he starts to fade, which IMO is a very real possibility, Valuev will KO his ass

 

I forgot about the ring rust factor, that could play big part.

Valuev looked crap against Holyfield but how motivated was he for that fight? Surely he won't be that bad against Haye?