Pavlik Proved My Point About J.c.c Jr

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  1. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    you dont have to be technically sound to be good...chavez and pavlik both throw basic punches, but they get the job done, with power, heart, and a good chin...i know pavlik is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of him, but i'm talking style wise, they are very similar, except for pavliks jab, chavez replaced it with a left hook...and imo, that can be more deadly......just ask cotto :good
     
  2. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JCC Jr. is coming along fine, it will still be another year before he starts making an impact. This kid is going to fill up into a middleweight with a deadly left hook.

    Is his next fight in December on PPV? I really want to see this fight. It looks like his opponent is a puncher and with a 20-1 record it may be a good step up fight.
     
  3. Max Molyneux

    Max Molyneux Liverpool Liver Tickler Full Member

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    So did Gatti though.
     
  4. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JCC Jr obviously hasnt proven himself with elite fighters yet but that doesnt mean that he cant hang with them. There are guys who are already dismissing him for no reason.
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I totally agree that flawed fighters can still be VERY effective. Think back to guys like Alexis Arguello, Danny Lopez, and others who were far from fleet footed wizards, but they still got the job done.

    Boo
     
  6. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    the same exact things were said about pavlik...and look at him now
     
  7. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Real talk.
     
  8. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    The reason is that he has tons of flaws and shows very little improvement from fight to fight. If he was improving, that would be one thing, but he just isn't.
     
  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    arguello was one of the most technically superior boxers of all time. no wasted movement, great defence and threw every punch with textbook technique. surely you could have picked a better example for your point.
     
  10. TitoCotto

    TitoCotto New Member Full Member

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    1) Did JCC Jr just get mentioned in the same paragraph as Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto?

    2) Why are Cotto and Pavlik always being labeled with not being technically sound?

    Pavlik was actually throwing better combinations than Taylor throughout most of the fight (Of course not in round 2) and beat him many times with a VERY technically sound jab. He throws very SMOOTH combinations. Like Cotto, they both have the ability to throw loose, relaxed combinations with POWER (Like jcc SR). Taylor said he got tired from throwing too many punches, that's bacause he noticeably tightens up when he throws. These attributes are all due to skill level and being TECHNICALLY SOUND.
     
  11. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    you ****ers know what i mean....it's like, nowadays..if you dont have floyd or mosley type speed or movement, then your basically thrown out of the bag as a possible contender...

    cotto is another guy of mine that i have fought hard for to try to get people to understand alot of my points.....
     
  12. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think if a boxer has good physical skills, technical ability is somewhat unnessecary. You mentioned Pavlik and Cotto, but on an even higher level, look at George Foreman. His skills were ****ing awful. If you were to teach a young lad about boxing and you only had a tape of Foreman, you'd stick it in and say "Do the opposite of what this guy does".

    He threw wide punches, he had poor movement, he had little defence, he was a one trick pony, but he was also a top class fighter.

    He had a fantastic chin and unreal power, amongst other things.

    It's easy to look at some boxers and point out their faults and say they won't make it because of those faults, and in many cases it's true. However, some fighters like Foreman, Pavlik and Cotto don't need to be technically great. Maybe JCC Jr. is another of those.
     
  13. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    since when did they become so great that we cant compare a fighter to them?
     
  14. PJD3

    PJD3 Member Full Member

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    chavez jr is a joke...period
    THE KID IS FIGHTING WITH HIS FATHERS NAME PERIOD..
    This is boxing nobody is going to wait for you to get skills when you are in the ring.
    Fighting midgets, late 30's tomatoe cans and chumps that your dad faced past his prime some 10 years ago, you can do that in a bar in TJ.:freddy
    Fighting chumps like that would make alot of nobodies look good.
    He close to 30 fights now, what is he waiting for to reach 100 before he fights a real oppentent?
    Fighting guys like that only proves that he hiding aqlot of fawless
    I don't think he would last a day on the contender:-(
    I would respect him a litte if faced sombody descent then you could finally gauge him.:-((
     
  15. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    i hope you know he is still 20 years old.