jack johnson vs wladimir klitschko

Sanders, your "super heavyweights" best weight was likely under 220lbs if you trimmed the flab from his midsection,I don't think I would call him a super heavyweight myself.

 

Because they had a shitload of losses to almost every top guy they faced and some none-top opponents.

Great for him that he had a resume, but since heavyweights grew bigger, the "dangerous middleweight puncher" has gone instinct. And it does say something about the heavyweights who had to deal with TALENT of their own size, compared to Johnson and Jeffries who stood alone in a division of smaller talented, and big untalented men.

Which goes to show you how dreadful the talent above 200lbs was back then, and would be for another two decades.

Yes, and it's ****.

Sanders is 6'4 and was in good shape at 225lbs against Wlad.

How would it look if Wlad was lambasted in 3 rounds by Joe Calzaghe or Mikkel Kessler? The criticism wouldn't stop and you know it.

p.s. I'm not Mendoza. Bringing derogatory remarks (or rightful criticism, if you will) about Jeffries into to the discussion does not anger me.

 

Not trying to anger you Chris,and not being derogatory to Jeffries.Let me try another tack,how do you account for built up middles like Toney and Byrd having such success against modern day super heavies?

 

At least Choynski was an ellite fighter at the time, Sanders, despite being a "super-Heavyweight" never had no decent wins prior to Wlad or after beating Wlad. Choynski gave Jeffries a good fight, even the granite chinned 6'2" 220 pound Jeffries said Choynski was a hard hitter.

I even think a prime Jeffries beats Wlad. Jeffries had better stamina than Wlad, a better chin than Wlad, a solid body attack and would catch up with him.

 

O'Brein out jabbed Johnson. Lucky for Wlad he has an all time right hand, a deadly left hook, tremendous size, tremendous power, and top end hand speed.

The fact that Johnson fights safety first doesn't help his chances here. This fight is a mis-match. Wlad via KO.

 

Fair enough.

As for your question: they didn't.

Byrd:
Got outclassed by both Klitschko's, but won once on an injury. A paper win but he was far behind on all scorecards having won only two or three rounds after the 9th. Against Wlad he didn't win a single round in two fights. Ibeabuchi knocked him out. To be fair, he did beat Golota, even if it was close and Golota was past his best. He also beat McCline, but these are cases of a very good small man beating a mediocre big man. Watch a very good small man against a very good big man in his fights with the Klitschko's. Chris also schooled Tua, but at 5'9 i'd hardly say he's a superheavyweight. Still, that was a master performance.

Toney:
His record against ranked heavies is 1-1-1-1. Hardly impressive, especially when you consider the lone win was against a 42 year old Holyfield who was struggling with a shoulder injury at that time. Lost twice to Peter, avoided both Klitschko's - was offered a gift title shot in 2004 by Vitali and in 2005 by Wlad, respectively, but turned them down, while repeating racist bull**** and how he'd beat them both in one night.

 

I don't know why some guys claim "Johnson v Wlad" is a mismatch.

Wlad's fight with Sanders was a mismatch, but it was Sanders who made it mismatch, not Wlad.

In fact, every fight Wlad has lost (by stoppage) was against a guy everyone thought he would beat comfortably.

Johnson is better skill wise than Wlad by a traditionalists view. Wlad sometimes paws the jab and doesn't keep his gloves up (what defenders want to say about Johnson). Sometimes like against 6'1" Sergi Igbramov, his right-hand was non-existant, he didn't even want to throw it. Wlad also mostly fights to preserve energy and plays with his weaker shorter fighters while people want to critize Johnson for doing the same.

Johnson win over Jeffries is better than anything Wlad has done. Yes Jeffries was past it, but he was still strong and went 15 rounds before being dropped. If the fight was today Jeffries would have been decisioned after 12 rounds.

The Jeffries that Johnson fought was better than every fighter that Wlad has beaten. If anyone disputes this, then name one fighter that has a greater or on par legacy that Wlad has beaten? That Jeffries would probably rough up the timid Wlad.

 

Nails it. One small thing to add. Byrd said Vitali, who tore his shoulder in round three was harder to fight than Wlad was.

 

I am very well knowledged in the sweet science,but to me this thread is crazy, any smart boxing mind knows the dirrrence in this syle of HTH matchup. For his era Jack is way above klitchko, Hth i think you all know the outcome, I dont thinik any of the threads that compare turn of the century fighters against modern day fighters is right. As far as heavys go Liston was the first great heavey to compete with todays . I love Louis but im not sure how his chin would hold up today.