Kelly Pavlik vs Mikkel Kessler who wins?

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    But how will he keep him on the end of his jab when Taylor had trouble doing it?

    Taylor has better head movement, is faster, and can fight on the inside.

    Kessler can't do any of these things, and if he plans to win the fight on his jab, he's going to get KOed.
     
  2. Jose FM

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    So when Pavlik beats a puncher in Miranda, Miranda is nothing more than an overhyped brawler, when Pavlik beats a boxer in Taylor, Taylor has no defense, when he beats Zertuche hes too old, when he beats Zuniga hes not a top contender.... You guys just keep coming up with excuses...Bottomline Pavlik has beat better guys in one year than Calzaghe and Kessler together.
     
  3. sean

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    who said taylor is faster.

    i have seen about 8 of taylors fights and 7 of kessler`s and i have never seen taylor as the noticably faster fighters albeit they would need to fight to be sure.


    IMO kessler has the best jab in boxing and it is ramrod as well which is a very good weapon v a puncher, makes them keep on having to reset and breaks a puncher`s rythem.

    as i said i see pavlik having to walk straight through kessler`s punches to get the win.

    maybe he can , maybe he cannot, as kessler has good power.
    just as good as taylor.
     
  4. BITCH ASS

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    So how in the **** is Kessler gonna beat Pavlik?

    Because if you say off his jab from the outside, he's going to get annihiliated.

    Kessler hasn't fought **** either. Of course he hasn't been down.
     
  5. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    i said tayor would be faster and technically better than pavlik in my prediction.
    but i also said that pavlik would have more heart and will to win and beat taylor.
     
  6. BITCH ASS

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    Fact is though, is that Taylor is more athletic, with better headmovement than Kessler.

    Yet Kessler is gonna beat Pavlik?

    Come on.
     
  7. Jose FM

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    He didnt get tired Pavlik got him tired, Jermain was in the best shape of his life, ive never seen him so determined and cut up, he was in great shape, so dont even make excuses. Pavlik just outworked him and eventually KTFO!
     
  8. Clearly Cool

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    Thats stupid.

    Kessler has stepped up to world class competition and performed flawlessly, which shows he is on the next level...which I guess is either great or elite.

    Taylor did the same, but his fights were very controversial and he underperformed against lesser competition, something Kessler has never done.
     
  9. BITCH ASS

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    Nobody said how Kessler would beat Pavlik.
     
  10. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh cmon now your talking smack, Pavlik last 4 opponent had never been KO'ed and pavlik KO'ed them brutally.
     
  11. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    Good Call.

    I guess to clarify I would say he is READY to become elite or great, and the Calzaghe fight will be his test.
     
  12. Harry

    Harry New Member Full Member

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    kessler lost only 4 rounds in 39 fights dominating all hes opponents, the same he would do with pavlik/taylor. to skilled and to smart and to fast. very simple
     
  13. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Your love for Taylor is beyond me. The guy had talent - but apparently lost it together with his confidence right after the winky draw.

    Taylor is history in my book.

    Reasons that this fight is all wrong for Kelly.

    You asked; Who has Kessler fought?

    Well not that impressive resume by Mr. Kessler I agree - but he has been so freakin’ dominant that it hurts...

    When Kessler fought Siaca he had to face a pressure fighter with reminds of Pavlik. Height and reach where in favour of Siaca and Siaca had some pop, yet not in the league of Pavlik.
    Kessler demolished Siaca and he quit in the corner in the 7’th.

    Kessler fought Anthony Mundine - a very quick, slick counterpuncher with a very good defence, yet no chin. Kessler couldnt hit Mundine clean, but still won comfortable by decision (In Australia).

    Kessler thrashed the shot southpaw Marcus Beyer in three.

    Kessler outclassed Andrade - winning every single round on all scorecards.


    Out of these opponents Siaca and especially Andrade are comparable fighters (stylistically + height, reach) to Kelly Pavlik. Andrade is a pressure fighter just like Kelly Pavlik + Andrade has endless stamina, heart, titanium chin, one punch KO power and he throws from every angle imaginable even after being hit with a 4 punch combo flush.

    Pavlik is a pretty one dimensional fighter. In his latest two fights (facing different styles) hes fought the excact same way. He apparently doesnt adapt to his opponent - which btw nearly ended his fight with JT in the second round. Pavlik has conquered the middle of the ring and from there he WALKS down his opponents with very good pressure and power in that vicious and loooong right cross.

    Kessler, on the other hand, adapts well to his oponents. Usually he is fighting behind a stiff jab with 1-2’s, left hook to the body and 5-6-7 punch combos that rips peoples faces into a bloody mess. Yet - Kessler still hunts some of his opponents ”Pavlik Style” (Beyer, Siaca, Lucas) and when he does he, like PAvlik, wins by KO or TKO.


    When comparing these two fighters I strongly believe that Kessler is WAY superiour to Pavlik in the speed, combination, intelligence, footwork, offensive and defensive departments.
    If they ever fight I predict Pavlik attempting to put pressure on Kessler while Kessler will jab, counterpunch and land combinations that eventually will lead to a late TKO and possibly a KO. Pavlik will not be able to handle the punches that hit Andrade and Pavliks defence is only slightly better than Andrades leaky defence.
     
  14. BITCH ASS

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    This is an incredibly biased and warped opinion, based on the nobodies in the overrated 168 lb division.

    Kessler has no chance against Pavlik.

    Remember what I said IF and WHEN they fight.
     
  15. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Listen dude. I have Kesslers latest four fights. He throws alot more combos than Pavlik.

    Thats a fact.