Anyone think Haye DIDN'T beat Valuev?

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I will be honest and say I was a bit worried as in the mid rounds Haye didnt do a great deal. However from 8-9 to 12th Round Haye had Valuev missing by miles!!!

It was tight, and Jim's CONSTANT insistence that Haye wasn't doing enough makes you start thinking "is he right?"

I think Haye got it almost spot on tactically, and managed to make the giant get desperate in round 12, hence the chicken leg moment that I love!!

 

dont think he did,he didnt throw enough enough combinatioons .He only really stunned Valuev once,and he also valuev in some rounds threw/and landed more than haye.so no i dont think he was thr clear winner to be honest .but iveseen worse decision's than that.

 

He wasn't as active as he should have been, but the problem with the "he didn't do enough" argument is that it doesn't take account of what the other fighter did, and in this case it was absolutely nothing.

Let's put it this way, Valuev didn't do anything to defend the title.

Also, the little bit of action Haye did bring was effective. The few punches he threw landed cleanly and Valuev was clearly feeling them. The left hook was looking particularly good.

His defensive movement was top notch. Valuev, despite his superior reach and size, simply couldn't touch him.

At the end of the day when you've got one fighter missing with everything he throws, and another one landing most of the punches he throws, and stunning his opponent in the end, you have to give it to the second fighter.

 

Fair enough. I was of the opinion that Haye hadn't done enough to take the title especially in Germany. Imagine my surprise at the result then!

Like Akx said though, Valuev did absolutely nothing and when you look at it objectively it would be hard to score against Haye. Just wish he's have thrown a bit more!

Ah well. Looks like Ruiz next.

 

To be honest I was surprised as well. I was getting increasingly annoyed at Adam Booth in the corner, who seemed overprotective of Haye. It's common knowledge that in Germany you don't usually get decisions, and Booth kept telling Haye to defend, to "make him miss", whereas in reality Haye should have considerably increased his activity in rounds 10-12.

Valuev was blatantly feeling his punches, and I'm pretty sure that two active rounds from Haye would have been enough to snatch the TKO.

 

He clearly won the fight by any objective measure. He didn't land much, but throwing and missing - as Valuev did - won't win you fights when your opponent is landing cleaning, espcially not when they're landing with thudding punches as Haye did more often than not.

I'm not surprised that almost everyone ringside (the drab Watt aside) - German commentary team included - had Haye a comfortable winner. They would have seen his punches landing cleanly while being able to appreciate just how clearly Valuev was missing.

 

Valuev looked a beaten man at the end.

And I have exactly the same thoughts as above re the missing of punches. It would have been clearer at ringside.

 

i'd need to see the stats, but i thought valuev landed more blows, with haye landing the more significant ones. Valuev was the one pressing throughout, granted to not much effect, but i thought with haye being on the backfoot most of the time and landing little, then the judges would give it to valuev. was surprised by the scoring big time.

couldnt believe how certain haye was of the points win when he backed off after nearly having valuev off his feet in the last round. surely even if he did think he was ahead, he cant just leave it to chance, especially as he was fighting on foreign soil.

 

He didn't back off immediately. He went for the kill but Valuev recovered almost instantly and held on. He boxed smart, although I kinda see your point. He obviously felt he was much more comfortably ahead than Jim Watt had it.

 

I'm gonna have to watch it again but from watching it in the pub I thought Haye looked **** when you think of the talk coming from him before the fight.

Most people around me were amazed when he got the decision.

 

I had it 116 - 115 to Haye but I was nowhere near convinced he had done enough so was slightly surprised with the 116-112 score cards from 2 of the judges though. I thought we were heading to a draw...

 

Weirdly I was more concerned for Calzaghe against Hopkins than I was Haye against Valuev. Although it was a case of roles reversed, except Valuev was no where near as effective as Calzaghe was.

I wouldn't have been suprised if Valuev had got the nod. I wouldn't have agreed but given it was germany I'd have understood it and because Haye shook him up in the last it made me confident he'd be more aggressive in a rematch so that may have contributed to my gut feeling after the fight.

We were sat right in front of the T.V. so were praying Haye won so we didn't end up with glass in our faces

 

i had valuev winning,i just dont think haye won convincingly enough away from home,reminded me of dirrell froch,where i didnt think dirrell did enough coming to frochs homeland to pinch the belt,this i thought was pretty much the same