Who has better win resume - Dempsey or Schmeling ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Unforgiven, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,748
    Likes Received:
    21,579
    Sample of wins :

    Jack Dempsey :

    Jess Willard
    Jack Sharkey
    Tommy Gibbons
    Luis Firpo
    Georges Carpentier
    Fred Fulton
    Billy Miske x 2
    Bill Brennan x 2
    Battling Levinsky
    Bob McAllister
    Carl Morris x 2
    Gunboat Smith x 2
    Willie Meehan

    Max Schmeling :

    Joe Louis
    Jack Sharkey
    Young Stribling
    Paolino Uzcudun x 2
    Steve Hamas
    Mickey Walker
    Johnny Risko
    Adolf Heuser
    Walter Neusel
    Ben Foord
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2007
    Messages:
    113,044
    Likes Received:
    48,170
    Tough. Schmeling for me.
     
  3. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,748
    Likes Received:
    21,579
    My lists are just samples, not meant to be definitive, so it's open to debate who should or should not be recognized as a good opponent to hold a win over. From the lists above it looks like Dempsey has more depth in his resume (more wins are listed anyway), but some of those men might well be bums, I dont know. :D
     
  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Messages:
    12,227
    Likes Received:
    1,253
    schmeling has the biggest name.joe louis.apart from joe's name,neither look all that good
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    19,229
    Likes Received:
    257
    Only if you don´t know what you are talking about.

    For me it´s also Schmeling but it´s close I think. Both genuine Top20 hws, Dempsey between 12 and 15 alongside Tyson, Wills and Langford, Schmeling between 16 and 19 alongside Walcott, Patterson and Charles.
     
    Pedro_El_Chef likes this.
  6. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Messages:
    12,227
    Likes Received:
    1,253
    :lol:ok:lol:
     
  7. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    7,210
    Likes Received:
    42
    Unforgiven, you missed Cowboy Luttrell off of the Dempsey List :)
     
  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,748
    Likes Received:
    21,579
    Yeah, but your mention of it gives us an excuse to view his masterpiece over the Cowboy one more time :

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu-ik0eFCLM[/ame]
     
  9. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    7,210
    Likes Received:
    42
  10. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    11,604
    Likes Received:
    290
    Even if Jack had Wills and Greb among his knockout victims, I'd go with Schmeling, merely by virtue of Louis. Joe's apologists claim he was in lousy shape for that one, but Max was also past his prime by then. During the early 1920s, there simply was no contender of that caliber climbing the ladder.
     
  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,748
    Likes Received:
    21,579
    I think on wins/quality of victim alone, Schmeling ranks above Dempsey.

    But looking at their records and performances overall I'd rank Dempsey the greater fighter.
     
  12. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2007
    Messages:
    5,628
    Likes Received:
    713
    Gotta go with Schemling his win over Louis is one of if not the biggest in heavyweight history.
     
  13. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2007
    Messages:
    7,373
    Likes Received:
    42
    Louis is such a big win it has to propel Schmeling ahead. Dempsey's is better otherwise.
     
  14. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2004
    Messages:
    23,670
    Likes Received:
    2,155
    Schmeling had the good win over Louis but also the loss KO in 1 and He was devastated by Baer. Dempsey had 2 rusty losses against Tunney but Gene was an experienced fighter and had the best feet and fastest hands until Ali. I know it was a different era but Louis went on to be great but what would become of him if it was Dempsey instead of Schmeling 1st time. Dempsey is highly underated on this site but he was one of the great explosive punchers but he was an electric champion in his day
     
  15. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    19,229
    Likes Received:
    257
    It's about win resume ...