Muhammad Ali 1974 v Riddick Bowe 1992

That was really meant for me, wasn't it?:hey

 

The less actual footage on a guy, the more inactivity and the less actual number of successful title defenses....that's the kind of stuff I look for to rate OVER guys like Ali, Holmes, Marciano, Louis, Tyson, Lewis, Holy, et al.

Personally, newpaper accounts are enough for me.

:good

 

Yeah, and Muhammad Ali's a man who could do it ; and do it to the extreme.

Of course it means ****.

Tucker was relatively ordinary (compared to Ali), and didn't exactly move fast, just had the common sense to move a bit, and the ability to box Tyson a bit. Tyson outjabbed him, but he aint gonna have a hope in hell of doing so against Ali. A prime Ali was throwing streams of accurate stabbing blows well into the late stages of fights. And he had long arms too. He's not going to be getting outjabbed and throwing one or two punches at a time like Tucker.

Tucker was definitely fighting one-handed, and was comparitively lead-footed, and ORDINARY. All Tyson could do by the 10th round was plod in flat-footed and jab, a commendable tactic because it worked, against an ordinary opponent with one hand.

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We know Ali could coast a bit and then "come alive" with overwhelming barrages of punches, drowning guys with punches, and when he's moving and making Tyson miss, frustrating him, it's gonna turn one-sided.
Tyson cant do **** on the inside, cant find Ali with his punches, and he's getting hit with the fastest most accurate punches he's ever (not) seen. He gets frustrated. Even if 4/10 of Ali's punches are slaps, another 4/10 will be on point, and 2/10 will be distinctly damaging.

Tyson got KO'd by Douglas and Holyfield. Beaten up pretty good if I remember rightly.
A prime Ali would take him to the cleaners.

 

Yeah, that's the thing. When you stand and trade the insults with them they dont realise they are being outpointed on the actual subject. When you cut out the bad-mouthing they only have the truth and facts left facing them, and they find somewhere to hide.

 

I said its no forgone conclusion that Tyson beats Ali, but its not clear with Ali either, he never faced a fighter like Tyson with the speed and power he possessed.
Picking up that fight in the 10th is not really fair. Why not watch the first half of the fight, where Tyson actually was trying to knockout Tucker, not coasting to a one sided decision? I think at some point it becomes clear the knockout isnt going to happen especially when your opponent has figured out a way to hold on.
Ali wouldnt be holding the entire fight either so the fight would resemble more of a fight, not a waltz. Can you see Ali fighting like Tucker?
If I had to pick I would go with Ali as well, but not in a walkover, and more based on his tremendous heart and determination, that I think Tyson somewhat lacked, moreso later in his career.
And thats based on the best Tyson vs the best Ali, Regardless of what happen against Holy and Douglas.

 

Or classing Ali on getting cleaned out by Henry Cooper, a 180lb heavyweight ffsake, totally cleaned and just happened to get a burst glove, my arse. If he got taken out by Henry, then if Tyson caught him his head would have burst like a balloon

 

Oh best retort of the night my friend, owned

 

No-one seems to remember that Tyson was totally melted with drink and drugs round about the Douglas fight, definately wasnt at his best and took Douglas far too lightly. 90 percent of Alis fights were gimmes as well. Most over-rated heavyweight of all time, and full of ****

 

Oh is this Tyson-Ali, silly me, thought it was Ali-Bowe for some reason.

 

Ali should outbox and outhink Bowe, Futch has gameplans to give but this is a prime Ali and Bowe had problems with boxer types with good jabs and fast hands.

'88 Tyson on the other hand may be all wrong for Ali, remember in the Ali-Cus vid, Ali says 'Joe Frazier isnt that skilled Cus' (speaking of Cus's skills), well the thing is Tyson would be that skilled and Ali's openness to the jab/left hook may well seriously suit Tyson, Ali had a few problems with the smaller weaker Patterson, and the body and weaving of Tyson would see him evade allot of Ali's shot and see him land his own.

 

Well done my man:happy

 

I agree with. Mr. Bill. Ali was still one helluva heavyweight in '74. At that point in his career he still moved better than any HW champ before him and his hand speed was still fantastic. He didn't have to move like he did in say '67 to be an effective fighting force and even if he didn't have that 3 year layoff he wouldn't have been able to dance like he did against Williams since he was getting older and bigger anyway. Hell in 75 against Frazier at 220 lbs he still had good legs and handspeed. Better than any heavyweight that came before him. What I'm trying to say is that the 74 version still had plenty left to deal with a '92 Bowe. It wouldn't be easy of course but Ali would have enough movement and speed left to outbox Bowe to a decision.