Old George Foreman vs Nikolai Valuev

Valuev doesn't use his weight to his advantage enough. He ain't pushing no one around. Foreman is still stronger in both legs and upperbody. I would like to see Valuev pulling big trucks the way Foreman did.

 

Powerpuncher.

You claim Foreman's power is overrated but give all these props to Valuev?

The guy is just big, that's it.

You act like a 42 year old Foreman could not beat this guy or something, when a younger fresher Valuev probably lost to Donald, Ruiz x 2 and plus lost to Haye.

You forget Foreman took ten years off, you forget Foreman's best fighters as an old man were in their 20's who had more credibility than Haye at Heavyweight in terms of resume.

Would Haye go 12 rounds with the Foreman who fought Evander? No. Foreman will hit Haye at some point and i can't see Haye surviving, and there's nothing there as evidence he would survive. Haye could not do to Foreman what he did to Valuev.

Stop bringing up Morrison people, because Morrison was a better Heavyweight than Haye at this point and would probably KO him.

 

If Haye fought FOreman like he did Valuev, Foreman would land less than Valuev did if thats possible. Valuev is slow George is land tortoise slow.

 

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1. It is overrated but the main reason for him being overrated is the fact hes ultra ultra slow, the only top10 contender he ko'd on his comeback, which spanned 10 years was Moorer

2. HUGE would be a better description with strength/chin to go with it

3. I actually picked foreman, I think you need to work on reading comprehension. All those fights could have gone either way and all were allot faster than Old Foreman

4. I don't forget Foreman took 10years off and thats the exact reason I say he'll have problems, hes old

5. If Haye can potshot and outmanouver Valuev, why can't he potshot and outmanouver the equally slow Foreman? Foreman can win by KO ofcourse but not if he cant land

6. I think Morrison may KO Haye, but Haye may KO Morrison, hard to say, Morrison shut out Foreman though just like Holyfield nearly did, just as Moorer was doing before he got caught

 

You dont think Haye could fight like Morrison?????????????? He is somewhat quick.

 

The problem in this post when comparing Evander to Haye, is that based on Hayes performance against Valuev, its pretty obvious how he would approach a fight with George. Do you really think Haye would fight old Foreman like Evander did? Hell No. He would use his speed to box from the outside and make Foreman look really bad. When Evander chose to box, the fight was a piece of cake. When he stood in with George, he got hit. Haye would never have the balls to stand in with George and slug with him, he would simply coast to an easy decision and George wouldnt even attempt to stick his jab out as much as Valuev did, he just didnt have it in him.

 

As much as I love George Foreman and wouldn't pay two cents to see Valuev fight, I believe that the chances are about even in a match between the Russian giant and a 40+ Foreman.

Sure, knocking out Moorer and going the distance with a peak Holyfield is leagues beyond anything that even a prime Valuev ever did, but the fact of the matter is, these are two very slow moving targets, with a low work rate, and not much ability to hurt the other. Yes, even in his 40's, Foreman had a punch that needed to be taken very seriously, but Valuev has never truly been hurt or floored in over 50 fights, and has a ridiculously large size advantage here. Men like Everertt Martin and Alex Stewart both showed that Foreman could be taken the distance, and frankly, I think Valuev's chances are at least as good if not better.

Basically, I see this one going to the cards. Whoever wins will be determined upon who is the slightly more active, that and how the judges are feeling that evening. Personally, I can't see a knockout happening here.

 

I guess he could, but that's a lot to ask for in Haye. I'm not sure what even a stiff jab from Foreman would do to Haye. Everyone talks about Morrison having a glass jaw but I think Haye's is probably worse. Either way, I think Foreman does better against Haye than Valuev. I think Foreman could stop him or possible fight a closer fight (By forcing action better than Valuev).

 

Between Haye and Valuev, which one is most likely going to be easier to find and hit? Valuev is pretty dam slow.
If theres anything I see in Haye, its that hes pretty quick, with his feet and his punches. I also have no idea how good his chin is, because he really hasnt done anything yet. Given that Morrison was able to uncharacteristically outbox Foreman and not get knocked out or even down, leads me to believe a fighters with a style that is to box from the outside and use his speed to win fights would have even an easier time.

 

I think Foreman defenately has the power to stop Haye, but I don't think that David will give him the chance. I could see him pulling a Morrison, and basically circling the ring all night long, enroute to very unpleasing decision. of course, if Haye got brave, he'd get murdered, but I don't think he's going to be showing any bravado against big George.

 

Valuev is NOT Foreman.

Haye is NOT Holyfield, Morrison or Moorer.

Haye would probably lose to the Bruno who fought Lewis.

What if Haye lost to Ruiz (however i think Haye wins) in his next bout, would Powerpuncher revise his ideas. You use Morrison all the time to valid a win for Haye, but Morrsion has a better chin than Haye and maybe more or even power and he never shook George. He committed to his punches more than Haye did v Valuev.

A 42 year old Foreman is slow, but i believe he hits harder than Valuev, even Valuev managed to tag Haye a few times. No fighter has ever beaten George without getting hit, and those guys had better chins than Haye. You can say what you want about Moorer's chin, but at this point in time Moorer's chin was better than Haye's. All the guys who KO'd Moorer i believe would KO Haye. Foreman, Holyfield, Tua.

A 42 year old Foreman would KO Valuev i believe. I don't care about never dropped in 50+ fights, he has never fought a guy with the chin and power of an old Foreman and Foreman will put him under pressure. Remember an old Foreman never quit. Haye would run, yes, but people are undestimating the old Foreman's ramrod jab that shook Evander. George has a better jab than Valuev, and would probably rock Haye with that alone.

Plus George was a bad ******* in the ring.

 

The competition that Valuev fought prior to winning the WBA title v Ruiz is no better better than Foreman's comeback run to Evander (1987-1991).

 

I think Ruiz has a very good shot at beating Haye. I think Ruiz beats old Foreman, easy. Using fighters as examples from a stylistic point of view makes perfect sense in the classic section.
]How can you say Morrison has a better chin than Haye? Hes never been knocked out. Hes never faced the punchers that Morrison has faced either. How do you come to that conclusion?
You didnt need power to beat George. Chris Byrd would have boxed circles around George, just like he did Tua.