Kelly Pavlik vs Mikkel Kessler who wins?

Well I guess if you think Mundine is interchangeable with Taylor then I'm not gonna expect an objective viewpoint. Mundine is in no way championship quality and has had trouble with guys way below Taylor's abilities. Sure Taylor isn't some P4P great, but he is certainly better than Mundine.

Andrade is also inferior to Miranda. Andrade has no names on his list like Howard Eastman or any serious title challenges like Miranda had with Abraham. Andrade h2h is just not as accomplished at this point in time.

Might I remind you that Beyer was 35 years old when Kessler got him with that right hand. If history is any indication of truth, boxers 35 and older seriously slow down and become more open to right hands. I can't speak for Lucas or Thobela, and infact would not put them anywhere in a comparison compared to names like Taylor and Miranda.

Andrade might get someplace with his iron chin and stamina, but that is completely up in the air. He doesn't have the accuracy or the speed that Pavlik and Taylor possess. Nor is he an accomplished boxer in this regard.

Mundine I won't even bother with. I think you highly overrate this man.

 

One of the judges actually scored it 120-108 in favour of Kessler in the Mundine fight. Just saying that the few rounds Kessler might have lost were only by a margin. :bbb

Amsterdam - I'm beginning to think that you actually make Kessler a slightly favourite against JC - reading the thread. :yep :bbb

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLmPAImEpPI


I think you need to watch this.

 

No more insults from me. No bad feelings, right?

 

Thats putting it high. Certainly can't recall any round that deserved to go to Lucas. (But i am admittedly biased)

Anyway based on majority of scorecards, he's still only ever lost 2 rounds against Mundine.

Sure there's been a few close rounds - but we're hardly talking blatant robberies here

 

Make that three and you are right.
He didn't lose any rounds to Lucas on any of the scorecards and has never lost a round based on majority of scorecards against any other fighter than Mundine. Furthermore, he has yet to lose a round on all three scorecards. I think that is quite an impressive feat after 39 fights no matter how hard some people try to downplay his opposition.

 

Actually Pavlik has a better jab, right hand, uppercuts, headmovement, hooks, well...everything than Andrade. Andrade is a bum when we are talking elite level boxers.

That being said I don't see why Kelly should move up in weight at this point. He is the king of the historic MW division, let's see him reign for a little while.

 

:rofl :rofl :good :good

 

I can't believe nobody picked up on this. A man who has some of the fastest hands in the game as well as operating at the top level in two completely different professional sports is having his athletic credentials questioned.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mundine's a ***** and don't rate him all that much but with this statement alone you've just demonstrated your lack of knowledge and objectivity; If there's one thing Mundine has it's athletic ability.

Kessler TKO, by the way.

 

Kessler by mid round stoppage, can't believe I've heard people compare Pavlik to Tommy Hearns recently

 

Kessler TKO

 

atsch stopped reading when you talked about Pavlik's Jab ....

for what I've seen of pavlik which I admit could be more, he's no match for Kessler or JC. Do seem to bring some power but then again Power isn't everything to boxing. Might work in a bar but in the ring the guy in front of you know you are coming.

 

i love pavlik cause he's so damn exciting to watch, but if they fought right now as i assume you meant, then kessler. in a higher weight class. sound boxing skills compared to taylor, and far more powerful than taylor. e.g. taylor has ZERO clean ko's. out of kessler's stoppages he's got 18 clean ko's. also kessler has never been even slightly hurt at anytime.

but if pavlik was to get some more championship level experience at middleweight, then test the waters at super middle in a couple years time, then i'd give him a much better chance. i'd then make it a 50-50 proposition. but right now, kessler gets the UD. or possibly TKO if pavlik tries anything stupid like he did against taylor.

 

BusyBee: "And both of them where steam rolled by Kessler......but your Canadian so I understand your stupidity."

....Says the american!....

ROTFL...

 

Yes, actually

What the hell makes you think Taylor is elusive? Everyone decent that he's ever fought has never had any problems finding him when they let their hands go

As far as athleticism, Mundine is much more athletic than Taylor is. What fights against respectable comp has Taylor's so-called speed outclassed his opponents? That's right, a 40+ year old Hopkins and Pavlik who will never be confused for quick. He won twice against Hopkins based on workrate alone and got KTFO by Pavlik so his speed doesn't seem to help him that much, meaning it is either overrated or he doesn't have the skills to take advantage of it