People are OVER-ANALYZING the Pac/Cotto fight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BizarroRJJ, Nov 13, 2009.


  1. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If this fight goes to the scorecards I'll be surprised. Manny has a way of KTFO out of big time fighters and legends. Crushed Barrera, Morrales, Oscar and Hatton unlike anyone ever had. Cotto is not lasting the 12. Pac TKO in 6
     
  2. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    Biggest fight of the year, of course theres going to be huge excitement about it, and lots of excitement and everybody giving their opinion.
     
  3. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, the reason people like to say 'will win' is so they can say I TOLD YOU SO!! :smoke
     
  4. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Says the guy who thinks that Pacquiao would beat a prime Quartey at 147. Get real Pharoah.
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Over-analyzing is better than under-analyzing.
     
  6. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah, I'm quite confident that Pac wins this, I see a stoppage and I think it might happen earlier than alot of people think. I picked round 4 in the prediction thread.

    I like both fighters, if Pac wins we will all witness the greatness of a great fighter, if Cotto wins a great close fight it sets up for a mega rematch that would be great for the sport.
     
  7. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, but after over-analyzing and coming to a "definite" outcome viewpoint on this fight as many people have, means that nothing was accomplished. No way you can have a definite outcome view for this fight if you over-analyzed both fighters objectively. Theres a solid counter-argument for each fighters weakness and strengths. It leaves you stuck in the middle. Like I previously said, this isnt JMM vs PBF where there was overwhelming evidence of a mismatch and known outcome even when you completely looked at the fight objectively.
     
  8. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You take the fun out of it. Cotto will win and if he loses, I was wrong. Easy as that. No one here is getting paid for analyzing fights. Philla you say the more you watch fights.... I don't agree 100%. One punch changes everything no matter how many fights you watch and feel that you have a grip on the outcome. Someone should have explained that to Lewis when he got KO'ed twice by contenders that had no business in the ring with him. Then again, being a former fighter, I do remember Lewis getting in trouble with Bruno and my brother thought it was over. I said if Bruno gets careless and drops his I believe left hand....BOOM. I did not even finish my sentence when Lewis, real shaky, bombed him out. Sometimes you can see how a fight is going to go, but it is up to a well balanced champ to have numerous game plans to confuse the other fighter and trainer.
     
  9. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Well fighters aren't always at their best and thats what happened with Lewis against Rahman but I think its safe to say that Pacquiao is at his best apart from the size disadvantage but at least we know it in advance.

    Also, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I'm also backing my pick with my money. So if I'm right i'm making bank, and if I'm wrong i'm paying for it.
     
  10. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are one of the stand-up posters here. I have been wrong a couple of times here, but you guys will not hear me scream from Jersey. Just hoping for a great fight. May the best man win.
     
  11. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm going against the grain and both guys will try and have a pure boxing match instead of a brawl or war.....pacquiao doesnt want to brawl with the bigger man, and cotto feels he is the natural boxer between the 2....I see it going twelve but manny will throw and connect more then cotto, as history shows in their respective carears
     
  12. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You could be right, I just went early becuase everyone has it going 12 or into the late rounds. It all comes down to how well Cotto can time him and I think he's lost a bit of his reaction time and speed at the hands of Margo. That little bit should be enough for Pac. We know he has carried his power up to the higher weights, though Hatton had a bad chin when they fought so we shall see.....thats why I love boxing.
     
  13. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    first of all I don't know why you used my old name but if you think i changed my name so people wouldn't know i was the same poster, you're wrong

    2nd, Pac vs prime Quartey will never happen. So it doesn't matter. Depending on the outcome of Pac vs Cotto its quite possible that my point of view on that fight becomes the majority POV.

    3rd, I haven't seen any Quartey fights, only highlights. So I made that pick mostly on paper. Which tbh isn't worth much.

    4th, you've been underrating Pac since forever, and you're still doing it. I'd like to see you make a pick on the Pac vs Cotto thread I've started, where over 500 have voted their pick but inexplicably yours is not there.
     
  14. Expander_2873

    Expander_2873 New Member Full Member

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    Looking at this objectively, I think Cotto will win this fight. Pacquiao's prior victories over De La Hoya and Hatton is not a true measuring stick as far as whether Pacquiao can handle a legitimate welterweight. Recall that De La Hoya was finished before he fought Pacquiao; and Hatton clearly had no business being in the ring. Hatton is finished. Pacquiao was not tested in either fight. As such, there is nothing we can point to that is indicative of whether Pacquiao can handle a true welterweight. Cotto, on the other hand, is a different story. He has been tested with the best the welterweight division has to offer. Cotto's last two fights (not counting the Jennings fight) is not indicative of what his performance will be like tomorrow. Here is why: The loss against Margarito is questionable for obvious reasons. Although I cannot prove it, I believe Margarito's gloves were padded. I came to this conclusion after watching that fight a few times. Cotto's injuries did not appear normal in my book. As for the fight with Clottey, most people forget that Cotto suffered a server cut b/c of head butt in the third or fourth round; and as a consequence, Cotto fought the rest of the fight blind in one eye against a heck of a fighter. Yet, despite the odds stacked against him, Cottor he found a way to win when he should have lost. Although Clottey may have outpointed Cotto (I personally think he did), Clottey did not knock Cotto down to the canvas; nor do I think Clottey managed to hurt Cotto (except for the head butt; which doesn't count in my book) during the match. This says alot; and it supports the theory that Pacquiao will not hurt Cotto. Think about it. If Clottey, who is much stronger than Pacquiao, couldn't hurt Cotto legitmately, and Margarito, who is stronger than Pacquiao, needed 11 rounds with cement pads to take down Cotto, how can any one reason from a logical standpoint that Pacquiao can hurt Cotto?

    Much has been said about Pacquiao's speed. I agree that speed kills. But Pacquiao lacks the defensive skills of a Mayweather (if he did, I would see this fight differently). Pacquiao is hittable (history has shown this); and this is why I'm picking Cotto even though Cotto is also hittable. As for the speed problem Pacquiao brings to the table, Cotto has shown that he can neutralize the speed and quickness of his opponents -- see e.g., Mosely and Judah -- with timing. Lets not forget, Cotto's speed is underrated and his ability to time his opponent is superb.

    Considering the above, both fighters will be trading shots. Cotto will manage to hit Pacquiao and vice versa. Pacquiao will likely throw more punches, but he will not hurt Cotto. Pacquiao, on the other hand, will feel the effect of Cotto's blows; especially the body shots. This fight, in my opinion, will be similar to the Cotto-Margartio fight where the smaller guy outboxes the bigger guy, but the small guy will eventually succumb to the pressure imposed from the big guy.

    Peace
     
  15. BizarroRJJ

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    I like your analysis, just a few issues. To claim Hatton is shot after the Pac KO, after only 1 career loss to Floyd and being previously undefeated at 140, is not completely fair. How much of what happened to Hatton is due to Pac being that good? We dont know. Pac wasnt supposed to be able to hurt/KO ODH or Hatton, but somehow he did. As for this whole idea that Pac cant take a welter punch, who knows this for sure? Hes the P4P champ and hasn't been KO'd in 10+ years at a very different weight and different time in his career. How can he go 24 rounds with one of the other P4P champs, JMM, and not be KO'd but he is all of a sudden going to be KO'd at welter? Pound 4 pound means just that. No one can say that the same chin he has had in previous championship fights in lower weights, he will not have at welter as the P4P champ. He has shown no issue of moving up in weight to this point. Using that argument that Pac wont be able to take Cottos power is not completely founded, because no one knows and everything shown thus far by Pac vs bigger opponents, has shown otherwise. Thats why its a toss up. Just because Cotto took Mos and Zabs speed, how do we know Cotto wont be caught by odd angled fast punches from Pac, that Mos and Zab dont/didnt throw? The punch you dont see coming is the punch that gets you alot of times. There are many arguments for each side to exit this fight victorious, thats why I still claim its 50-50.