What does pac have 2 do 2 be the p4p best of all time??

If he could beat the top 3 fighters at 147, 154 and 160, unifying each. 9 top fights, 9 wins.

He could then have people calling him number# 1 and they would only get ridiculed a little bit.

 

Nice post

 

The Problem is alot of the posters on here aren't old enough to have seen other great fighters. They see Pac blowing away the likes of De la Hoya, Hatton and Cotto and think he is the best fighter they have seen. Thats because thats all they have seen. They don't realise none of these dudes would be able to live with the true greats of the ring. Dont listen to that jackass Bob Arum because when he was Promoting Mayweather Jnr he said the same Bull**** about he is the best fighter to ever lace up gloves. The guy is a Promoter at the end of the day, Nuff Said.
Obviously Pac is fresh in the mind because he is currently active and is doing some special things in the ring. I give Pac complete credit he is definitely an All Time Great, but number 1 fighter of all time??? Comon lets be serious. Pacturds need to understand that Pac is getting the credit he deserves without being hailed as the greatest ****ing fighter ever. I'm not taking anything away from the guy but there have been some great great fighters out there long before this dude.
Back in the day there was none of this catchweight bull****, none of this 145lb and I still take your 147lb World Title BS,none of this IBO/WBU/WBO ****, none of this supplement bull****.
Back in the day if you wanted to fight the Welterweight champ you prove yourself and make the ****ing weight on the day of the fight as well! None of this weighing in the day before and giving yourself time to load on the lbs by stuffing your face.
The real hardcore, oldschool boxing men out there know where I'm coming from, the dudes that were brought up in the early eighties and seventies.
Pacquiao GOAT. Hell No.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Louis Armstrong, Ray Leonard, Joe Louis, Duran ,Hagler etc etc The list goes on and on.

I suggest before anyone claims Pac to be the greatest ever, do your research, please.That includes Mayweather Jnr fans who claim he is the greatest ever. Get your knowledge up about this game and research some of the great boxers we have had before these guys ever laced up gloves.

 

Doesn't matter, Pacquiao will instantly go up their due to quite easily, being the best fighter of the decade. He flattens Mayweather? For ****ing sure he's sailing in the top 3 on anyone with a brain's card, and for most probably #1, especially as time goes on. There's no other way you can look at it, man.

 

good post

 

The truth is if SRR was an active fighter today. People would find reasons why he isn't the greatest of all time. Some of those reasons would be his 19 defeats or the fact he fought dozens of bums.

The present is never kind to great fighters. It seems we can only measure the true value of a fighters decades after they have retired.

 

sugar ray robinson and ali are gods and no one can surpass them even if the fighter beats kingkong and godzilla.

 

Win another 170-180 fights including some of the top guys.

 

Its mental to claim he would have to beat Dawson, Dawson up at lt Heavy? that would mean that Manny would have to span titles in 11divisions! 11! I'm all for treasuring the history of the sport but quite a lot of fans cling onto the past too much. SRR moved from LW to LHW and didn't win titles in these, SRL from WW to LHW. By saying manny would have to win titles from FW to LHW clearly shows a double standardd against modern fighters.

 

impossible to do i am afraid,he would have to re-incarnate sugar ray robinson in his prime and beat him,and then beat him in a rematch to prove the first wasnt a lucky punch.
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If he beats Floyd then moves up and colect another belt at 154, then he will have a very strong case of being GOAT.

If he beats Floyd and retires, he is well within top 5, probably top 3.

 

I can see both sides of the argument here.

On the one hand you do have historical fantasists that believe some of the older guys can do no wrong and newer guys can never attain that level (Bert Sugar ranking Lewis #19 on his all time HW list is proof of this).

Then you have people that neglect to accept the fact that this sport has been going for over 100 years, and that Pac isn't the 1st to blow away opponents in this manner. I think we can all agree that Pac is yet to even prove himself the best fighter of this era (his fight with PBF will determine that) so lets not say he's anywhere near the summit yet.

Let's also put Pacs year into perspective....Beating the man at 140 and probably the no.3 guy at 147. SRR was beating 5-6 of the top 147/160 guys a year...as well as a handful of top 20 guys.

In modern equivalent his typical year would consist of beating Clottey, Mosley, Quintana, Martinez and Pavlik....but top fighters who aren't champions (as all of these fighters but Pavlik and Mosley are) have 0% exposure to fans new to boxing in comparison to today's contenders like Clottey and Berto.

I'm not saying I expect Pac to beat 5 top guys a year, but the truth is he's yet to beat a guy ranked in the top 60 all time, and is yet to beat a top 5 all time fighter at any weight. With that in mind it's quite difficult to have him much higher than 15 (I have him #22). Also, there's no doubt that losing to an aging Morales and struggling twice with JMM whilst in his prime cannot be overlooked. Fighting 10 time a year SRR barely struggled with anyone during his prime.

If I'm honest, I think wins over PBF, Mosley, a belt at 154 and beating the man at 160 would make Pac no.2 on my list. the same without the 160 fight would probably make him No.4.

Boxing didn't start in 1980.

 

Well that is my point. For him to be the best p4p ever in the history of boxing he has to do something incredibly almost impossible. That is a pretty high and nice place to be, but you have to earn it. I don't think he can ever be number #1 ever ATG, that is why I mentioned Dawson. He is a great fighter and probably near #25 ever, what is bad about that? In the whole history of boxing? Good place. A fighter nowadays with the competition and handpicking and multiple titles out there will have a hard time being #1 ATG ever.

 

this. IMO only time can tell if he'd even reach top 5..

... heck it would even be a ****in great accomplishment for someone from this generation to crack the top 10. it's simply a whole different game compared to the past. boxers dont fight once or twice a month, too many negotiations to go through to make top fighters fight each other, greedy promoters protecting upcoming stars. let's just enjoy what pac's been bringing to the table, i think his next fight might actually be his last one.

 

Let's break this down because I don't see how he goes up so high. What was Manny before he fought Oscar, and then what did each fight elevate him to. I just do not see how it works.