More effective - Gameplan or Adjustments?

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Just wondering, I was talking to a buddy of mine and the topic of gameplans vs adjustments came about ... I wanted to get an outside opinion on what you guys thought was most effective and if there a chance that a fighter/team can do both?

    You see many fighters who don't watch film, who don't study their opponent, and who just let the fight come to them. Then you see fighters who study, break down their opponents, look for weaknesses, and try to exploit their opponent using a gameplan.

    Thoughts???
     
  2. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. silk

    silk New Member Full Member

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    Adapt or die.
     
  4. DeanoFlash

    DeanoFlash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
  5. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    Great question. I think a fighter who can adjust is the mark of a truly special fighter...like Floyd Mayweather Jr. Mayweather adjusted to Hatton, Judah, and De La Hoya. Not all fighters have the ability to adjust in the midst of a fight. It is a rare trait. Another perfect example is how JMM adjusted to Pacquiao in the 1st fight, and how Tszu adjusted to what Judah.

    A gameplan is just a gameplan. Just every fighter comes in with a gameplan - in fact, having a gameplan is a staple in ALL sports, not just boxing...the trick is to successfully execute that plan, like say, Hopkins did to Trinidad

    As far as which is more effective, it's hard to say. Having a gameplan and being able to make adjustments are two different things. Some fighter rarely have to make adjustments, because whatever they are doing is already working. No need to fix what isn't broken, right?

    The bottom line is, the question "which is more effective" can't really be answered...not by ME, anyway.
     
  6. ST33L-DUTCH

    ST33L-DUTCH Member Full Member

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    The fighter that adjust during the course of a fight the best is normally the winner because making good adjustments beats a good gameplan imo
     
  7. Schmapps

    Schmapps Member Full Member

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    I'd say overall its being able to make adjustments, that separate the true greats from the rest of the pack.

    "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face"

    -Mike Tyson
     
  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't under estamate a good game plan. However you have to be able to adapt to your opoent if your gameplan is not working.
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It's very hard to distinguish between the two because they sort of go hand in hand. Adjustments is a little more talent and ring IQ dependent, not everybody can make many adjustments in the heat of battle, it requires a good mind for boxing and also the ability to make that change.

    Anybody can have a gameplan for a particular foe. But really I think you have to prepare for a fight for all eventualities, there needs to be a Plan A, B and maybe even C and that is where the adjustments come in.
     
  10. wingchung

    wingchung Active Member Full Member

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    its fifty fifty. a good example is cal vs kess. cal knew he needed to b landing more due to kess power. cal ate some nasty uppercuts from kess. cal started to block the uppercuts.
     
  11. hmm

    hmm damn chairs Full Member

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    hmm says . . .

    neither is guaranteed a victory, but effectively ad******g is the better. You need to get a feel for your opponent first/ whether or not you have a great gameplan..plan A or B.. Hell ad******g is esssential, why the hell do you have trainers telling you what you need to improve/adjust in between rounds when clearly not all gameplans work 100%.

    I believe it's a combination of both..
     
  12. Oscar de la Roa

    Oscar de la Roa I'm THE lightweight champ Full Member

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    The current fighters who have the best adaptation skills are JMM and PBF, and they both overcame gameplans, examples:

    Juan Diaz had a gameplan of taking JMM's legs out by overworking him, but the highoutput guy got overworked.

    Casamayor was countering Jmm's with a right hook, and after the middle rounds jmm used head movement to stay away from that hook.

    And well I think against pac is all said.

    Same for PBF:

    He started countering the jab in the middle rounds at the DLH fight
    He surprised the pushing forward attitude of hatton with the "check hook"
    He timed Judah's punches and started to get agressive to the body.

    So I would say adjustments..
     
  13. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on the situation, the fighters involved, how well crafted the gameplan is, (and how well it does in analyzing the abilities of both fighters) etc.
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I do not think it is an either/or situation. Sometimes it is truly amazing to watch a fighter execute a particuarly audacious game plan, and impose his will on an opponent against the odds. Other times it's very impressive to watch a fighter adjust and change what he is doing when the game plan isn't working. It's just not an either/or situation.
     
  15. ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS

    ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS YAHHHHH Full Member

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    I would say adjustments is better because what happens when your gameplan doesn't work? If you cannot adjust, then you're pretty much doomed. Having said that, watching Hopkins school Pavlik was a thing of beauty (gameplan)...