Pacman vs Ray Leonard at 147

I don't think Manny is especially troubled by jabbers. I don't recall him ever looking as affected by a jab as Mayweather was in the first half of the De La Hoya fight, as it basically hemmed Floyd in and made him a passive force for the best part of 6 rounds. (One of the many reasons why I think Floyd is widely overrated is his inability to stick a great jab in his pocket and remove it from the fight, in a way that other greats could)

Why is Manny troubled more by jabbers than 90% of other fighters? I'd say 90% of fighters are unable to remove their opponents' jab from the reckoning, it's one of the most difficult things to do in boxing. But it doesn't stop those 90% winning fights, unless they are faced with a Larry Holmes ATG jab which can more or less win the fight single-handedly (literally). And Floyd does not have anything even resembling a Holmes-standard jab. He has a quick jab, but often jabs to the body rather than the head (pointless against Pacquiao), and his jab is not particularly damaging as a weapon, nor powerful enough to act as a real effective deterrent to an attacking opponent.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the active fighters that I have seen completely nullify a fighter with a great jab (Hopkins did so against Winky and Pavlik, for example), but the fact that Manny doesn't have the style to do so doesn't mean he in particular has a problem with jabbers, no more so than the next guy. JL Castillo wasn't that type of fighter either, and he beat Floyd by intelligent pressure.

 

Response to this Addie mate?

 

Manny Pacquiao doesn't seem to have the capacity to move his head out of the way of a jab, as evidenced by the Miguel Cotto fight. If Floyd throws his, which he almost certainly will do, and Manny Pacquoao gets hit by it even more times than Cotto was able to hit his, what does Pacquiao do to counteract that? I know what he did against Cotto, he threw leather, a lot of it, and a left hand landed in round 4 and Cotto was all but done. That shot won't land on Floyd because he won't be there to be hit. Manny tries to close the distance? He gets a jab in his face. He flurries, and as evidenced in the past, a lot of the shots will hit Floyd on the shoulders and arms.

You don't seem to admit there's even the slightest possibility that Floyd could stop Manny Pacquiao. It's the shots you don't see that hurt you the most, like Cotto didn't see Manny's left uppercut, and Floyd is going to be throwing counters off the ropes, and as Manny comes in. Look at his landing percentage throughout his career. Manny is going to get hit coming in, and unless Manny makes those flurries count, he's going to lose the rounds. That's the way I see the fight going, and I don't rule out the possibility of Floyd landing a shot late that Manny doesn't see which drops the Filipino.

 

Ray would stop Manny late.

 

Cuevas at his best would be big trouble for Manny. Pipino was the hardest puncher I saw and punches bounced off of him until he was finally wore down after 4 yrs and 11 title defenses and ran into hearns. You could tell by the 3rd Espada fight and the Volbrecht fight that Pipino was not the fighter of his prime in 78.:rasta

 

its funny on this forum there are arguments for Pac beating Ray leanord and Duran but almost everyone almost unanimously in a thread here said Whitaker beats Pac at 135 140 147, I find this interesting and it says a lot about posters on this forum because Whitaker in no way is a greater fighter than Ray or Duran.

 

Leonard KO

 

I disagree that in no way is Whitaker greater than Ray. I think he is greater.

 

About Manny taking jabs. Robinson used to take japs. So did Duran. Lots of great fighters took jabs. Doing that allows you stay in range.

 

Pacman would be stopped by both Ray Leonard and Duran. He has never fought anyone remotely like either.

 

How would you see SRL vs a peak Mark Breland going? Breland has that height and right hand ya know.

 

SRL was trained by the best in an era where the best fought the best. Everyone trainied hard so you had to bring your A game every night. I think Manny is one of the best to lace em up, but Leonard can match his hand speed, overpower and out skill Manny to the point the fight is stopped. The Duran situation was SRL trying to out macho his challenger, but the best Leonard made Duran quit. Leonard by KO after 7 rounds of action.

 

If you are for real, you need a slap in the face.....

If you are joking, waste of thread.....

Either way, sort yer **** out !

 

Im taking this as my new signature, absolute comedy gold, cheers for this :good

Ps. Addie, Ive only read about 80 posts thus far but I agree with every single post of yours regarding this mismatch.... there are no words to describe the thickness of some of these posters, amazing :nut

 

Pac would hold his own and do well early,then Leonard would take it to another level(get in his zone) around the 8th and start to to beat Manny to the punch in classic 9th and 10th rounds,he would then close the show in the 11th. Leonard tko 11 over Pac