Did Joe Calzaghe "Ruin" Mikkel Kessler?

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  1. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On Calzaghe's resume his best wins were

    1) Kessler
    2) Hopkins
    3) Lacy
    4) Eubank
    5) RJJ

    Kessler was shown to be over rated yesterday
    Hopkins was 43 years old and it was a controversial SD
    Lacy was exposed continually there after
    Eubank was at the end of his career anyway
    RJJ was 39 years old, and had lost to tarver 2/3(?) times

    Calzaghe is being classed as over rated, at the end of the super 6 tourney Kessler gets 0 points, and thus Calzaghe's greatest victory is a no body
     
    realsoulja, Nov 22, 2009
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  2. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You forgot Robin Reid.

    Calzaghe didn't beat RJJ, he destroyed him and made him look like just a joke. As we've seen since then, RJJ is not nearly as shot as he looked that night. Just Joe made him look like nothing.

    Hopkins got schooled after the first few rounds of the fight. Most punches ever landed on him, reduced to fake low blows and acting. He got punked and clearly lost. Same guy that came back later to toy with Pavlik, so can't buy that he was done. Similar situation to RJJ -- Calz made him look like a shot, done fighter. But Hopkins wasn't, as we saw.

    Lacy was utterly ruined by Calzaghe. I don't think anyone can really deny that. Joe broke him, mentally and physically. Just demolished him. So what happened after that fight was academic.

    Eubank is a tough mother f*cker who wouldn't roll over for anyone, even at his advanced age. He fought very hard in that fight and would have beaten many a fighter that night. But not Joe. That's not an accident. He turned out to be just another victim.

    Again, the differing manners in which Calzaghe and Ward defeated Kessler speaks volumes. Also, Joe fought Kessler when he was undefeated. After Kessler schooled Mundine, humiliated Andrade, punked Beyer, etc. There was no "blueprint" to beat Kessler; Calzaghe made the blueprint and he executed it without a lot of holding, no elbows, no crooked ref and no headbutts resulting in cuts. And he won easily, 8-4 or 9-3.

    Contrast that with a dirty, punk Ward who both used Joe's blueprint but couldn't execute it as Calz did without resorting to bullsh*t tactics that cut both of Kessler's eyes and with a ridiculously biased ref.

    Calzaghe is a freak. He's unlike almost any guy who has ever fought, and that takes into account his reduced power due to his hand injuries. Even with that limitation, the guy was essentially unbeatable.

    Ward is a talented guy who we've already seen will foul like a clown when he gets a little winded or dinged. He's not even close to Calzaghe's level, or not yet, anyways. Perhaps one day, but that day is a long ways off and is probably never going to come.
     
    paulfv, Nov 22, 2009
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  3. DLT

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    you takin the ****?

    :scaredas:
     
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  4. ec111

    ec111 Member Full Member

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    Kessler started the fight with all the confidence in the world. If there was any mental issues it was *AFTER* Ward began outclassing him.
     
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  5. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    this:good
     
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  6. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    This is a fact, few fighters are the same after a loss prior to being unbeaten, their mentality changes as they now know they have been beaten.
     
    Anglosaxon, Nov 22, 2009
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  7. horst

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    Of course not. Losing a competitive decision and taking very little punishment in the process doesn't ruin a fighter. Kessler fought a far more experienced pro in his backyard in front of a huge crowd, and gave a good account of himself. Kessler didn't show any real after-effects of that fight in his subsequent performances either, it was business as usual.

    All this talk of a fighter being "ruined" is stupid. Roberto Duran ruined Davey Moore, because Moore was the favourite yet Duran subjected the less experienced fighter to a savage, savage beating. That sort of thing may leave physical and mental scars, but examples of this are few and far between.

    The idea of someone fighting well, winning rounds, but dropping a close-but-clear decision and sustaining no injury yet being "ruined" is just silly. It's internet drama queen talk. Fighters are more resilient than that.
     
    horst, Nov 22, 2009
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  8. Hitman-Fan

    Hitman-Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always thought Kesller was limited.

    Look at his record, who has he beat of great calibur?
     
    Hitman-Fan, Nov 22, 2009
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  9. doubleplaidinum

    doubleplaidinum Maravilla Full Member

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    not at all. he was just never the incredible fighter everyone made him out to be. he really hasn't fought anyone of note except for calzaghe and ward.
     
    doubleplaidinum, Nov 22, 2009
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  10. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Wrong, yet again you prove you are one of the biggest jokes on ESB.

    You can't have an honest discussion about anything boxing related because you have nutsack colored eyes when it comes to every thread. :admin
     
    nervousxtian, Nov 22, 2009
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  11. AceNguyen

    AceNguyen Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh god, so now Calzaghe gets credit on his resume for fighters doing crappy after he fights them?
     
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  12. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To "ruin" a fighter, you have to put a vicious beating on him, ala Toney vs Jirov.

    Calzaghe outslapping Kessler 8 rounds to 4 did not even come close to "ruining" Kessler.
     
    Axe, Nov 22, 2009
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  13. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bull, it would have been one thing if Kessler was actaully landing shots and at least making it seem as if he had a cahnce to do something in the last 4 minutes of the fight. Truth is Kessler had no chance to win that fight. There are a few of you that seem to think that the ref should have taken the fight away from Ward, claiming that he was only headbutting and holding. While its true that Kessler was complaining about the holding they wont complaining about the headbutts until the 9th round. And as far as the holding goes Kessler was doing a shitload of it himself, it was Ward that was the one trying to brake the grasp of Kessler from the mid point of the fight to the end.

    Your attempt to give Calzaghe the credit for Ward dominating Kessler is poor. Kessler looked his worst in this fight because he faced the most complete fighter that he has ever faced. Calzaghe is a good fighter but he has always been there to be hit, that allowed Kessler to shine in spots in there fight. Ward was very hard for Kessler to hit, he just couldnt figure out the style. The headmovement was too much for him. Ward seemed to be right there but whenever Kessler found the confidence to pull the trigger on his shots Ward was gone leaving him looking wild and unskilled. Kessler is what many have been saying he was a classic stand up one two fighter that once he was forced to go to 3 4 and 5 he was lost. I know that it gave you a flashback to what Hopkins did to Pavlik:yep
     
    1lehudson, Nov 22, 2009
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  14. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Poll results show he didn't...hmmmm looks like the starter of the thread got bit in the a$$ with his post
     
    sdsfinest22, Nov 22, 2009
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  15. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    I hate it when people do this.

    Kessler is the same fighter he has always been, decent but limited and just not as good as guys like Calzaghe and Ward, there is no more to it than that.

    Just like Hatton lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao because he wasn't good enough, Cotto lost to Pacquiao because he wasn't good enough etc etc
     
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