Holding? Anyone remember Bute-Andrade?

With all this complaining about holding, it seems odd that no one complained all that much or even mentions the amount of holding that was allowed by the referee in Bute-Andrade.

Bute was holding onto Andrade all night long, and in reality that was the real crime of their first fight, not the ending. (Which was rather outrageous, but didn't decide the fight).

I could be wrong, but if the referee in the 2nd fight doesn't allow the excessive clinching from Bute, I could see Andrade getting Bute out of there in the mid to late rounds. Part of the reason Bute looked so dominant is that for the first half of the fight when Andrade was starting to get off Bute would just grab a hold of him and go for a ride. The best part was when the referee actually warned Andrade for holding.

Personally I didn't have a problem with the way Ward fought last night, there was plenty of two-way clinching going on. The thing was that Ward was the only one landing anything at close quarters, so he looked to always be the benefactor of the clinching, but Kessler had the same oppurtunities, just not the mentality to take advantage.

While I think Dirrel won a close decision against Froch, his running and holding did look amateurish.

Bute's holding on the other hand was much more excessive than Dirrel's and he didn't use it to try and land anything like Ward did. His clinching also became less effective in the last couple of rounds because he was out of gas and couldn't keep Andrade's arms pinned down. Andrade started to land when Bute tried to clinch, so Bute ended up running for the last two rounds.

Mark my words, if the referee doesn't allow excessive clinching in the 2nd fight, Bute is going down.

 

Holy ****. I've seen blind nuthuggery before, but this is up there with the best of them. "He was bad both ways". Wow.

 

I actually don't think the ref had a bias. I think he was just a poor referee. The way he applicated the rules in the 12th were ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, Bute got up in enough time whether the referee did his "get back in the corner" bull**** or not. His application of the rules for that moment were awful, but the true imcompentence was for the 11 and 3/4 rounds before that.

 

His screaming for Andrade to get back in the corner, when he was all of 4 feet out of the corner. I didn't know that being in the corner meant you needed to lay under the turnbuckle. I have NEVER seen a referee yell at a fighter to get back in the corner.

Also, right before Andrade KD's Bute, the referee breaks them and as Andrade goes in for the kill, the referee gets in his way. He actually stands in the way of Andrade going for the KO. It was pathetic.

Also during a break with about a minute to go, he pushes Andrade back TWICE. Apparently because he didn't think Andrade had backed up far enough when he broke them originally. These were three separate instances in the last minute of that fight where the referee was putting himself into the action, and it was only for the benefit of one fighter.

 

You are correct sir, fighting from the grasp is an artform. I love good infighting. Especially in a give and take affair. The problem in this instance is that Bute was not fighting from the grasp. He was simply grabbing anytime Andrade got close and pinned his arms so that no action could take place. That is a different animal altogether.

 

You asked me to illiterate what I had a problem with as far as the referee goes, and your response is boo hoo. Shut the **** up and get off of Bute's sack. It's one thing to support your fighter, but to be blinded as to what really took place is just immature and not what boxing fans should be about.

You bring nothing to this discussion other than the cum on your chin from Bute's shrunken **** and balls.

Now that I'm communicating on your level, maybe we can come to an understanding.l