You MMA fans seriously think they go toe to toe with boxers?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Primenal, Dec 27, 2008.



  1. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T14JMqi4qr8[/ame]
     
  2. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, kinda that. ^^^
     
  3. TKDfighterJoe

    TKDfighterJoe Oneshot Knockout Full Member

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    those guys are so bad at their 'science'. Of course they hit at the same psi. MUSCLES POWER THE STRIKE.

    But two different things, one more dense hitting a smaller surface area, and the other being less dense and hitting a large surface area, will make a huge freaking difference. You are MORE PROTECTED when hit with a boxing glove.
     
  4. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    +1
     
  5. iksrtfo

    iksrtfo Jedi Knight of Poon Full Member

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    This guy knows jack ****. Look at Marcus the handgrenade. He was pro boxer but got beat by Dan Hardy. He fails to realize that MMA fighters spar with pro boxers, some are class boxers with belts.
     
  6. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    K explain how bare fist hit with so much more force?
     
  7. codeman99998

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    It's more PSI. If two punches have the exact same force but one punch spreads the force over a 10 square inch area and the other spreads the force over a 20 square inch area than the pounds per square inch of force would be greater for the smaller glove because it has a smaller surface area.
     
  8. codeman99998

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    It's more PSI. If two punches have the exact same force but one punch spreads the force over a 10 square inch area and the other spreads the force over a 20 square inch area than the pounds per square inch of force would be greater for the smaller glove because it has a smaller surface area.

    No gloves at all lowers the surface area even more (especially considering a well thrown punch really only "hits" with two knuckles.)
     
  9. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's not the point, point is he said their(in the video I posted) science is bad but it seems that their science is bad only while comparing boxing gloves to MMA gloves but not while comparing gloves to no gloves. How does this make sense?
     
  10. codeman99998

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    Because the experiment doesn't take out all of the variables. A much better experiment would be a machine that throws a punch with the same exact force wearing the different gloves or bare. The problem is even if you throw a punch "as hard" as the other, it just isn't very scientific. Human error can easily account for the differences in the PSI in this "experiment".
     
  11. Chris85

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    That depends how the glove is constructed. The outside padding could be made from harder material than the inner one. Therefore the glove will protect the hand better than the person getting punch with it.

    Imagine a boxing glove cladded with metal (harder material) on the outside :hi:

    :good
     
  12. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You seemed confused :patsch
     
  13. cloud_cyc

    cloud_cyc p4p demon Full Member

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    - i definitely do. because it makes the most sense. a top boxer will most likely lose over a to a top mma fighter on an "MMA match" because a top mma fighter will definitely find a way to take down a "boxer who doesnt know MMA" at will. what dou you think will happen when the fight gets to the ground? "grappler + boxer + ground" do the math. the same way a top boxer will most likely school a top MMA fighter in a pro-boxing match any given night. for one, MMA guys' "boxing" stance are not suited for boxing. it is suited for protecting themselves against striking and at the same time, you can still be mobile enough to stop you opponent if he decides to shoot for a takedown. you should also take into consideration the time they spend to train themselves. lets say, given a 100 hours of training, boxers are used to spend 100 hours to train their boxing skills while MMA fighters will probably alot a certain amount of times for boxing, BJJ, wrestling, or other martial arts that they specialize at. it's stupid to expect a top MMA fighter to box at the same level with a top pro-boxer.

    - well this one explains things. it's fine that you want to claim that you "watched enough to understand it" but IMO you still dont, that "those 2 dudes rolling around w/ each other" comment is a good proof.

    let me explain this, theyre not on top of one another for mins. just for the sake of being on top. look at it like it's a physical chess match, one guy will initiate action on the ground but if his opponent can out-wit him, hell end up losing that "on-the-top" advantage or worse he can get subbed. they throw punches/ ground and pound theyre opponent not just to deal damage but also to get some reaction from their opponents where they can capitalize if their opponent will lose focus on keeping their defense punch-wise and submission-wise.

    - key word "THEY'RE NOT PRO-BOXERS". yes they get caught with punches, but they never get punched in the face as much as boxers do for their body develop enough to be able to absorb punches better. same way can be said that boxers wont be able to take those leg kicks the way MMA fighters can.

    - if you're talking about "boxing punishment" (punches) then yes. but same can be said that an MMA fighter can take LOADS more "MMA damage" (punches, kicks, submission attempts... **** those kimura attempts can ****-up a boxers arm)

    - so you're talking about an MMA fighter vs. a boxer here since you were talking about kicks right? stand up MMA fighters doesnt necessarily mean they dont know **** about shooting for takedowns. they are smart enough to not enggage a fighter w/ boxing background on a stand up, they'll box a little then go for the take down at the right time. and contrary to you belief, natural insticts are not enough to defend agains a BJJ belter, doesnt matter if its black belt or not. a BJJ belter spends years of training for natural insticts to **** on it.

    Klit vs Mir eh? try Klit vs Brock. i bet your ass Brock will take down any of those Klit brothers like a rag-doll if they decide to fight him.

    well attention whores who pretends to know **** gets on a lot of peoples nerves. and other people has the same opinion as you regarding to that matter. but the same common denominator always pops-up... most of you are followers of boxing and have only watched MMA a few times.
     
  15. cloud_cyc

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    i agree that the way he got the opportunity to win a belt that early is kinda shady IMO. well **** dana, he wants to build his name early. but he beat the champion to be the new champion so IMO he definitely deserves it. it's not like it was handed to him on a silver platter or something. he has a very good amatreur wrestling back ground, add his combination of size,strength and freakish athleticism, he's probably bound to dominate UFC HW division for years. and by the sounds of it, you judge MMA based on watching only UFC? there were also some organisations/former-organisations like Pride, K-1, etc. which showcased a lot of great talents.