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That was a very good article.

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Floyd Mayweather : The ‘Sweet Science’
by Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the ‘Sweet Science’ is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

rolling,

slipping,

pivoting at the waist,

feinting,

bobbing and weaving,

constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.

When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by ad******g his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.

2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

the rhythm of offensive motion

the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.

6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’
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8.Picking of Opponents
Is an underrated art which few boxers have mastered and floyd and his team are experts especially after moving to 147. He uses money and drawing power as reasons not to fight certain fighters that would be a threat to his "0".

good read though :good
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Dunks said: ↑

Floyd Mayweather : The Sweet Science

by Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the Sweet Science is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.

Floyd is

rolling,

slipping,

pivoting at the waist,

feinting,

bobbing and weaving,

constantly displaying various modes of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.

When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by ad******g his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.

2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

the rhythm of offensive motion

the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm

(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.

6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, anglesall are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques modalities of rhythm.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the feel of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The Sweet Science
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This was a very good try but the REAL reason Floyd Mayweather has never lost is because he has ducked & dodged every dangerous legitimate opponent plus he got a decisipon over Castillo he did not deserve
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This was a very good try but the REAL reason Floyd Mayweather has never lost is because he has ducked & dodged every dangerous legitimate opponent plus he got a decisipon over Castillo he did not deserve
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Only in your dumbass reality is this thru

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Dunk...seriously, you are all over Floyd Mayweather's nutsack. I mean, ALL over them. I honestly believe you have some kind of gay crush on the guy.

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puga_ni_nana said: ↑

8.Picking of Opponents
Is an underrated art which few boxers have mastered and floyd and his team are experts especially after moving to 147. He uses money and drawing power as reasons not to fight certain fighters that would be a threat to his "0".

good read though :good

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Good one!

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8.The Science of Ducking

Changes of speed and direction when the soon to be opponent is good...

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Everybody is beatable...problem with Floyd is he ducks and dodges anybody that poses a threat. He's a coward ass, fake ass champion...a talented punk whose too scared to take a real fight.

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wait wait...let me guess....

you're a Floyd fan arent you?

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Good post Dunks. Keep up the good work.:happy

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Dunks said: ↑

Floyd Mayweather : The Sweet Science
by Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the Sweet Science is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

rolling,

slipping,

pivoting at the waist,

feinting,

bobbing and weaving,

constantly displaying various modes of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.

When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by ad******g his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.

2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

the rhythm of offensive motion

the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.

6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, anglesall are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques modalities of rhythm.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the feel of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The Sweet Science
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I have written a lot of times that a lot of people dont know anything about boxing. They belive that boxing is mixed martial arts aka ultimate fighting. The only thing that i would say look at the post anti Mayweather in this forum. Did they base their opinion in an fundamented analisis, or they are talking sh.... without any kind of fact.
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We all know floyd's skills. But what about his heart? He needs to fight bigger challenges and test himself out.
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That's the most frustrating variable about Mayweather's career. He has the ability to be favored against and probably beat anyone who stands in front of him, but he just doesn't make the fights happen. Why? Does he not have a good chin? He seems to take punches pretty well in the fights with Corley and Judah. He definitely has the skills. What is it?

This is what infuriates a lot of fight fans when his name comes up. He just doesn't make the fights that truly matter.

This is why I think he will not fight Pac.

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8.The Science of Ducking

Changes of speed and direction when the soon to be opponent is good...
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Also forgot:

9. The Science of Retiring to avoid an opponent
to avoid the scrutiny of the boxing media for avoiding a fighter, simply announce your retirement until that fighter loses.

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big yawn. These self convincing threads are gay as ****.
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+1

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Also forgot:

9. The Science of Retiring to avoid an opponent
to avoid the scrutiny of the boxing media for avoiding a fighter, simply announce your retirement until that fighter loses.
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"Oh oh oh, there you go. This dude beat this dude. This dude beat this dude. All these guys beating each other, but who's beaten floyd mayweather?"

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