Whats Kesslers status now? Biggest win is andrade on UD -.-

hehe - people forget so fast. Kessler totally outclassed Andrade for the full 12 rounds - Bute lost the first fight to Andrade. Bute has more power than Kessler and that's why he stopped Andrade - who has heart, but is there to be hit. Kessler's win against Andrade was much much more convincing in terms of boxing than Bute's. Not that Bute's second fight wasn't convinsing and well boxed - Kessler's was just better.

As for Kessler - he took the title - defended it against a top5 opponent away in his first defense - he gave the #1 Calzaghe a good run for his money. That's pretty good in my book. Not legendary - but good.

He then went on to fight the worst fight of his life against Ward (don't mention the headbuts) and now he all of a sudden overrated and a loser ranked below Taylor who has lost 3 of the last 4... tsk tsk tsk. But well that's boxing - you're only as good as your last fight...

Kessler has massive mental problems atm - if he overcomes those he'll be right back up there - and I'll give a mentally fit Kessler a fair chance in a rematch with Ward - and have him a sound favourite against Taylor. If Kessler doesn't get his head back on - well then he can just as well retire. The Froch-fight will make us a whole lot wiser on that...

 

Ring magazine as it right:

1. Andre Ward
2. Lucian Bute
3. Carl Froch
4. Mikkel Kessler
5. Librado Andrade
6. Sakio Bika
7. Arthur Abraham
8. Allan Green
9. Robert Stieglitz
10. Karoly Balzsay

After the super 6 tournament we will know who is the best between Kessler-Ward-Froch and Abraham. Bute already beat Bika and Andrade who destroy Stieglitz who destroy Balzsay. Green? Go for Stieglitz, the only champ he got a chance to beat.

The winner of the tournament should face Bute, after that, only one fighter will still be undefeated between Ward-Froch-Abraham and Bute, who will it be?

 

You dont know much now do youatsch
Kessler fought a fresh strong Andrade in 07 Hammering him for 12 rounds..
Since then andrade has been in other wars taking punishment before coming back strong.
You are going to have a short career fighting like this, one day your punch resistance is gone and you will go down..

Thats simple knowledge about the game, Andrades downfall started slowly after the beating he took against Kessler.

 

Post your scorecard please rofl

 

No need for a scorecard in a KO-victory :hey

As the referee giving Bute 20 seconds to recover he managed to get to the scorecards wich shows us that the fight was much much closer than Kessler-Andrade. 3 x 120-108 versus 117-109, 115-111 and 115-110.

 

oh, so you haven't seen the first bute-andrade fight? :good no probem you should have said so bud. what happened was bute won a UD after dominating andrade for 11 rounds. Then, in the 12th Andrade came on, knocked down Bute, and then refused to go to a neutral corner. Fortunately, Andrade not knowing the rules didn't matter as Bute was up by 6 (or at worst eight). By ref count it was 6 though. How do you get knocked pit when you get up before 10 (barring taylor/chavez)? Who knows! But i guess rules don't apply when you want the other guy to win right? Bute was up before 10, he finished the fight. That is all

 

It's a bit similar to Margarito vs PW and Margarito vs SSM. I think Margo's chin had taken one punch too many and was weakened when he faced SSM.
SSM and Bute's victories are still impressive, but the conclusion is not Someone stopped Andrade therefore Kesslers win losses it's worth. BTW Bute faced andrade 2 times you know. Rather than Bute's victory degrades Kessler stock it increases Bute's ranking I think. It's just a flawed logic to say that because fighter A beat fighter C more conclusive than fighter B, then fighter B is not as good as first estimated. It's not a complete analysis.

 

It's not a ko if the fighter gets up within ten seconds, which Bute did. Hope that helps.

As the timekeeper should have instantly rung the bell when Bute regained his feet (as per the rules, time was up approx two seconds after Bute went down, but could not be saved by the bell, therefore the bell should go when he has risen and his gloves are clear of the floor), the stuff that happened after the fight should have been over is irrelevant.

So, if you think Andrade won, you need to post a scorecard...

 

Lets take a little look then:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0&feature=related[/ame]

0:58 - Bute goes down - Referee steps in
1:06-08 Bute gets on his feet, but is clearly not ready to fight
1:17!!!! - the referee counts 6!!! ... 6!!! after nearly 20 seconds!!!
1:22 - the fight is restarted
1:23 - the fight is over

Look at Bute 1:08 into the video and tell me he was ready to fight.

And even if accept this hometown ruling, then the scorecards tells us that he didn't win as conclusively as Kessler - not that Bute wasn't clearly ahead and fought very well (until round 12) - Kessler was just better in his fight against Andrade.

But as phierl already pointed out - this kind of logic is flawred at best.

Fact is Kessler was unified champion - and has defended away from home - fought and beat top5 fighters. Fact is also that he clearly lost to Ward, but that doesn't make him a bad fighter over night. Boxing is strange in that way. Nobody would claim that Brazils soccerteam was crap over-hyped and so on after they lose to say US - or that Federer is crap for losing to Davidenko...

I hope the super six can change that a bit - A Kessler victory against Froch - Dirrell over Abraham and a close fight between Ward and Taylor. But sadly we'll proberbly just see a lot of "Overhyped X exposed by Y" on here after the fight...

 

Timekeeper should have rung the bell at the highlighted point. The only requirement in the rules is that Bute gets up. As soon as he does, the fight ends. Whether he is ready to fight is irrelevant. Everything after that point is irrelevant. Fight should be ended and go to the scorecards.

This has been repeatedly explained, the rules quoted, etc, but some people still just refuse to actually listen.

 

If a fighter stands up and is not ready to contuinue for his own safety the referee should stop the fight for his own good....


He should NOT go roaring at the opponent across the ring that was like some wwe ****

 

You do realize nowhere in the rules of boxing does it say that a 10 count = 10 seconds right?

The referee picked up the count from the official count keeper at ring side. Counted up to 6. Turned around to make sure Andrade was still in the neutral corner. Andrade was NOT in the neutral corner. He was walking toward Bute and had already made it halfway across the ring. The rules states clearly that in that event. The referee most suspend the count and send the fighter back to the neutral corner. Andrade took precious seconds to comply with the referee instructions giving Bute more time to recover.

The referee did made the mistake of resuming the count at 6 instead of 7 but at this point it didn't really matter. Bute was on his feet and the fight was over. The IBF rules clearly state that in the event of a knock down after the final bell. All the fighter has to do is to stand with the gloves clear of the canvas. That's it. No where does it say he most be fit to continue.

In other word, Andrade had a big part to play in this whole fiasco.

 

Yes, that applies when the fight is in progress. Logically it does not apply when the fight has finished as there is no possible safety issue. The rules state that the bell rings as soon as Bute rises and his gloves clear the floor. For your scenario you would then need to explain how a fight that has already finished can be 'stopped'.