How to belittle a top fighter: "DIVISION SUX"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Geraldo R., Oct 6, 2007.


  1. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe, but he still has more to prove and unification seems far away. I want to see be able to take a punch without falling or having a panic attack, I have a hard time liking someone who can dish it out but cant take it.
     
  2. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    The problems are the matches NOT MADE and the Fights falling through. Blame MIS-MANAGEMENT of the sport for it.

    Wlad has taken the lead slot by being willing to fight the top guys. What happens in the division the next two months should give him his next opponent.

    If Peter wins tonight? He's the LOGICAL Choice since he's Ring Mag's #2 HW. Klitschko vs Peter 2 would be for the Ring Championship, therefore the REAL Championship.

    If Peter loses? The winner of Ibragimov vs Holyfield winner, Chagaev, or the Winner of Brock vs Chambers (if Chambers wins) are possibilities:yep It pains me to say McCline would be included, and possibly next:-( I'm not too worried about that possibility though:nono
     
  3. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You and me both, Even if Mccline somehow wins tonite I have a strange feeling it will be ruled a "no contest", Don King will do whatever he can to keep Peter in the top spot.
     
  4. dragosuhail

    dragosuhail Active Member Full Member

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    :lol: :lol: i love the hate.

    wladimir sucks because he doesn't do PPV? wow.

    you know he is the oscar de la hoya of europe? he doesn't NEED to be on PPV to make a **** load of money.

    also it is admirable that he isn't trying to squeeze even more money out of the fans by demanding PPV everytime he fights.

    there have been some ATROCIOUS PPV cards, so somehow i get the feeling wladimir would do rather well in PPV especially in a unifier even if they are both not american.

    damn that cracks me up. wlad is crap cause he doesn't do PPV. holy **** there are some dumb monkeys on this board
     
  5. Geraldo R.

    Geraldo R. New Member Full Member

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    And what 'somebody' could possibly make him a great? That's the point, you can only judge a fighter's worth relative to the rest of the division, and this makes Wlad the 'best' heavyweight at the moment. Great is a sentimental proclamation that ignores the fact that fighters can only be judged relative to their oppoisition. You can't objectively say a current fighter is a 'great' fighter, only that they're the 'best' based on their division. Here we clearly have that.

    There are no numbers that can be assigned to a fighter to show a degree of goodness/greatness as it pertains to the history of the division or sport. Wlad isn't a 742 and Loius a 975. They're absolutely impossible to compare unless we have a time machine, but I know how quaint and sentimental boxing fans can be...

    The heavyweight division as a whole is bigger and stronger, and is continuing to become moreso. More people will lose as a result compared to the division's past twenty years or so, and fighters won't stay undefeated as long as welterweights seem to. It's a display of physical strength scaling disproportionately higher than the limitations of human endurance and toughness. It's inevitable and not a display of overall weakness.
     
  6. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It proves hes not as popular as other fighters, if he was that good people would watch. His brother was on PPV for the Danny Williams fight in 04. PPV is a great gauge to his how popular fighter is and who is more exciting to watch.
     
  7. Geraldo R.

    Geraldo R. New Member Full Member

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    Umm, PPVs are mostly an American thing. Boxing is big enough in Europe that Wlad doesn't need PPV.
     
  8. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Doesnt Europe have PPV too?
     
  9. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    yes we have ppv.
    but wlad fights on german station rtl which is free to air.

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  10. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see, I thought you guys had PPV.
     
  11. Geraldo R.

    Geraldo R. New Member Full Member

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    I said 'mostly' an American thing.
     
  12. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    i see reading is not your forte
     
  13. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In our country usually the fights that people really want to see get put on PPV, every once in awhile we get fights like Taylor/Pavlik or Lewis/Vitali that should be put on PPV and we get to see them for free on HBO or Showtime if you got them stations.
     
  14. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see boxing knowledge is not yours.
     
  15. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    but showtime and hbo are not for free.
    you still have to pay a monthly subscription.

    free is amir khan tonight on itv or wlad fighting on rtl where every single person in germany or the uk can watch .