The love given to Hopkins and the hate given to Calzaghe

fair enough.
but that view becomes a double-edged sword when the lacy and kessler wins were against the best challengers at that time but neither proved to be proven world class fighters in their prime.
calzaghe has none on his record because of the way his career went.

 

It's funny because it's biased.

 

kessler getting a paper belt isnt doing something - its less dangerous than fighting andrade, for example for peanuts.
you can't ever use paper belts alone to smokescreen the truth.

 

Why ignore my other post and reply to this one?

 

:good

 

Actually Jones never used performance enhancing drugs.He-and his opponent in that fight.I forgot the opponents name-tested positive for a injury recovery drug.He never tested positve for anything else before,after and since.

 

look at the state beyer was in when kessler beat him....
and taylor had just come from edging hopkins twice - first guy to knock him off.

that in itself tells you why people talk about taylor and pavlik before calzaghe sometimes.
its what you do and when you do it.
listen.

 

i know, but my point is the sartisan fight for a paper belt wasn't a feather in kessler's cap to use as something he did that was 'positive' after losing to calzaghe.
i was saying if he fought andrade again it would have meant more to me.

 

All your syaing is bla bla had a loss going into the fight 20 losses after he's no good bla bla. What the **** is this? Yeah Johnson has a lot of losses now, you seen Roberto Duran's losses? Sam Langford's losses? What are you trying to say?

 

Eubank - the way u are making it look like Eubank was still close to his prime, if he was why did he lose his last remaining fights after Calzaghe defeat. He lost to Collins twice, and was last champion 2 years back since then lost his title challenge to Collins and Calzaghe.
Robin Reid - Robin Reid fight was a SD, split decision, he struggles to beat Robin Reid, who Malinga beats easily. Calzaghe never fights Malinga but rather fight Reid? Robin Reids best win was who?
Brewer - U say he lost SD to Ottke, like Ottke was a OG in that division, Brewer had 8 losses before fight Calzaghe, and Knocks him down. Who was Brewer's best win prior Calzaghe? His best result was a SD to Ottke who was one of the most protected fighters of all time.
Mitchell - His best win was Liles, just shows how weak the SMW division was.
Lacy - His best wins were over a 38 Year old Scott Pemberton, and 35ish year old Robin Reid. Him being favorite against Calzaghe, just shows that Calzaghe was known to be **** at that time despite being champ for 8 years. And Lacy was champ for a year.
Bika - Beating Bika dont mean ur top class, Bika is a good win, but we are talking about wins that make u world class, not wins that make u good
Kessler - Who is Kessler's greatest win? Andrande come on man and this guy is supposed to be Calzaghe's best win. And he gets beat easily by Ward.
Hopkins - 114 -113 Hopkins, but I can understand the fight being given to Calzaghe, Hopkins asks for a rematch in Cardiff, and Calzaghe rather fight RJJ.
RJJ - RJJ was shot, and Calzaghe even said he was Shot a few years back. Dont make it look like RJJ was expected to make it close fight, he wasnt.

Holmes - U say Reid is better than Holmes, coz Holmes lost to Cherifi close UD (he beat Cherifi by KOin a rematch) and reid beat Cherifi by SD.
Holmes had beaten Woodhall, and Quincy Taylor, who was number 1 ranked MW by the ring.
Trinidad - Trinidad was bookies favourite, he had beaten Joppy the WBA MW champ by KO, was LMW, and WW champ. Also was Unbeaten. And the only thing you can say is Trinidad was natural WW.
Joppy - yes i do think he was a better champ than reid, lacy and mitchell. but not Kessler.
Hoya - Hoya was a MW champ, and the fight took place at 155, Hoya was blown up and the only credit given to BHop is that he did KO Hoya hu had never been knock down.
Tarver - U say he was outboxed by Johnson u obviously didnt watch the fight, it was a SD, and Tarver beats him in a rematch. Tarver was the favorite to beat Hopkins that fight, and Hopkins beat him easily.
Wright - Was a blown up JMW I agree. But was avoided, and known to be the best defensive fighter at that time.
Johnson - Was undefeated, at the time, first loss to Hopkins.
Pavlik - Pavlik had fought over the 160 weight limit 16 times prior to fighting Hopkins. Also Hopkins was an underdog, and Pavlik was clear favourite.

 

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Sweet merciful ****, bailey, are you serious? You don't actually watch boxing, do you? You watched Calzaghe's fights then researched this post on boxrec. That could only explain the complete spasticity of some of the statements. Rick Thornberry? Bloody hell, I'm Aussie and even I wouldn't write that guff.

Funny that you go on and on about Oscar and Tito being smaller than Hopkins but nothing about Hopkins being smaller than Calzaghe and ABSOLUTELY NO mention of Jones Jr's age, decline and previous knockout losses. :hat

PS Hopkins and Jones Jr were undisputed champions who cleaned out a division each. Calzaghe was not and did not.