Why on earth does anyone still consider Casamayor the champ 0f 135?

Casa was never the champ to begin with so diaz does not have to beat him to claim that status.

 

The belts are not everything but they do count for something. If you read my posts you will see that I am not basing my argument soley on belts, I'll summarize again:

I don't believe that Casa was ever champ to begin with. Diego rightfully lost the first fight with Castillo, when a fighter goes down, he has to be up and ready to fight by the count of 10, Diego was clearly not ready to fight as he spit out the mouthpiece, and instead of doing the correct thing and stopping the fight, the ref gave him an entire mintue to recover, to make matters worse he was KTFO in the rematch. If you want to disqualify that fight for Castillo not making weight then you also have to take into consideration that a man weighing in at 140 (as diego did in the Casa fight) can not put a lightweight championship on the line.

Secondly, I believe that Champions have to actually defend their belts to have the right to continue to call themselves champions, Casa has not fought once since beating Diego and his next fight is against the most undeserving guy he could have posibbly found. I don't think he deserved to be called champ to begin with but even if I did, I would seriously question it the way he is holding it hostage.

IMO lineage was broken when Chico lost to Castillo, we can't be without a champ forever so someone has to restart it, I feel that Juan has done that by beating the top guys in the division with the exception of Casamayor who although he is usually very outspoken has shown absolutly 0 interest in fighting Juan

 

If we are going to talk official rules here then let's look at all of them.

Just like you can not win a title if you come in over weight, you can not defend one Casamayor was not fighting for a lightweight championship when he fought Corrales and he knew it. There have been countless times throughout the history of the sport where guys (such as Roberto Duran for example) fought above their weightclass simply for money or to stay active and everyone knew and recognized that the title was not on the line and it was not a championship fight. Why should casamayor get special treatment in this case? IN your own words "this is the way it has always been"

 

Of course the rule applies to the champion. If he does not come into the fight at the contracted weight, the fight is not sanctioned and the challenger can not win the title because it is no longer on the line. The fact that the original contract stated that the title was on the line is meaningless because the entire contract was broken when Diego failed to make weight. This is not something I am making up to support my argument, it is an undisputable fact that is in the rule books. for a title fight to be sanctioned and a title to be on the line

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fighters have to come in at or below the contracted weight, if the champion does not make weight but the challenger does, and the challenger wins, the title becomes vacant so no the champ can not always come in over weight and keep his title.

I won't argue this all night because we are clearly never going to agree. I believe that people have a soft spot for casa because they feel like he has gotten the **** end of the stick a lot (like in the Freitas and Castillo fights) so they want to keep beleiving the he deserves to be called champion.

Since I have you ear (or eyes) though let me ask you this. Why do you think that the normally outpspoken and flamboyant, cocky Casamayor has not so much as whispered Diaz's name and do you think that "the man" of a division should be fighting a nobody with 14-2-2 record when there is so many people questioning his legitmacy as chmapion?

 

You sure about this? If you watch last night's telecast it is pretty clear that the Diaz camp is holding the ring belt up behind him.