If Wladimir retired from boxing tomorrow, how bad will the state of the HWs be?

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  1. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Imagine if it actually happened.... the heavyweight division would be at a point where it couldn't possibly get any lower. The division all together would be almost non-existent.

    Wladimir IS the division at this time.
     
  2. Smazz20

    Smazz20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very true. It'd go into even deeper dissaray and everyone would be begging for Wladdy to come back and clean the mess up!!!!
     
  3. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wladimir is the only fighter that even brings any kind of color to the division. He's big, powerful, entertaining.. without him you have a division full of fighters that are either slobs, have no personality, are too protected, or surrounded by corruption.. Wladimir is the antidote to all of this.
     
  4. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    He is the man at heavyweight right now, everyone else is behind him.

    He will be a great victory for Povetkin next year. :deal
     
  5. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mr. Babyfat will get knocked out if he faces Wladimir by next year.
     
  6. Orang-Utan Jim

    Orang-Utan Jim Member Full Member

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    Guys like Chagaev, Povetkin, Ibragimov or Solis are world class boxers with tremendous skills. The only thing is they are non-Americans and no bad asses.

    Klitschko is the dominant force in a atleast mediocre division.
     
  7. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I haven't seen Solis so I won't elaborate, and Ibragimov is only a " world class boxer " against fighters whom he knows are an easy payday. And it has nothing to do with their national background.
     
  8. Orang-Utan Jim

    Orang-Utan Jim Member Full Member

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    I think for the American media and lets say 75% of the boxing "fans" who arent able to form an own opinion and need that media for it, the HW is at its low point ever or at least a weak division. And thats pure bullsiht and an huge insult to todays titleholders who are Olympic Gold medallists and Amateur world champions with very good skills and excellent pedigree. Their problem really is that they´re not real americans and not fighting in America all the time, but mostly in Germany and Europe. Thats a fact.

    The HW has no broad base but the top is definitely near to world class or world class (Klitschko).
     
  9. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh yes, it's such a huge insult to olympic gold medalists like Audley Harrison.
     
  10. Orang-Utan Jim

    Orang-Utan Jim Member Full Member

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    Is Harrison an exponent of todays HW-division or a titleholder? I think he is not...isnt it. You dont understand exactly what I mean. All today titleholders who are detracted very often by esp. the US media (maybe exc. Klitschko) are true boxing heros and excellent boxers. Because they do their job in the amateurs and in the pros. But they did it not for the US and thats their fault....No offense tu the US, but the US-birthright to have the Boxing HW-Champion is over. Plain and simple. Because nowadays the Russians and Cubans are allowed to box as pros, and they are eager to win laurels and they are not worse then US-Americans of the past...

    Could you imagine what Teofilo Stevenson would have made an impact on the 70´es HW-divsion if he would´ve been allowed to become a pro???

    The US-Heavyweights have to fight the threat of boxers from former communist countries and they are obviously losing badly to that threat. No hunger, no eagerness anymore. Is that the fault of nowadays titleholders?
     
  11. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, I don't think you understand what I mean. Either you're a bleeding heart American, or you're a Euro whose got his panties in a bunch if you can't acknowledge that the HW division is arguably at it's weakest today, and would most DEFINITELY be at it's weakest without WALD at the forefront. As I've said.. the HW division would have absolutely no color to it. Just a bunch of mediocre fighters with stormtrooper personalities. Even everyone's beloved Alexander Povetkin can't carry Klitschko's jockstrap.
     
  12. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Have faith, a new star is likely to emerge. Alexander Povetkin is looking pretty good, and who knows, he might even improve a bit. Right now he could give Klitschko one hell of a battle.
     
  13. Stimulant

    Stimulant Active Member Full Member

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    I concur
     
  14. Orang-Utan Jim

    Orang-Utan Jim Member Full Member

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    They cannot hold the jockstrap because they got no aura like Tyson or Lewis or Holy or Foreman had. Or Klitschko has now (Either you like him or you hate him). But when it comes down to boxing skills, and thats the only thing I talk about, they aren´t significantly worse, ok? Skillwise the HW division is not that bad than a lot of people wanna make it.
     
  15. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    Just keep telling yourself that. I hope that Wlad takes on another worthwhile opponent in the next couple of months...even better scalp to be had by AP.