10 Greatest Australian Heavyweight champions

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Thealchemist

    Thealchemist New Member Full Member

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    Could suggest anyone else. Good list of fighters there!!
     
  3. ashley

    ashley Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good thread....dont know enough about the older fighters but some of the guys will be able to add to this.

    Big Bob needs a mention....hes not it the class above but he munst have won 8 or 9 aussie titles....he also got his shots on the world stage and came close against Joe B.
     
  4. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack Johnson I understand got blasted by a shoot gun and lived to tell the tale!Both his arms were damaged.
     
  5. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ON thinking about this, I think that Bill Farnan might actually be our best heavyweight champion. This is quite remarkable since few people even remember his name, nowadays. His victory over Peter Jackson, may be the single most impressive victory by any australian boxer ever. It was early in Jackson's career, but it was a huge win. It is strange that there doesnt seem to have been all that much of an outcry for Bill to fight John L Sullivan at this time.
     
  6. ashley

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    I'm a bit surprised a few guys have not chipped in on this thread :huh
     
  7. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Firstly...GREAT THREAD!!!!!!!! :good
     
  8. ashley

    ashley Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What does "glabal scale' mean :rofl

    PS: Dont even start on my spelling mistakes :nono
     
  9. flamengo

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    Get ****ed.. I was trying to make a correction to my own spelling errors and add a few more pieces to the post when the wireless ****ed up...

    As for your spelling mistakes, Its too easy to forgive you with nuts hanging from your forehead.
     
  10. ashley

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    I did try to picture typing with nuts hanging from my forehead and I did LOL :lol:

    In the end I guess only you can say what its really like :rofl
     
  11. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Your new avatar suits you and Mandy.. Shallow and transparent.

    BoilerMaker, Im now sure where you got the dates from regarding Bill Farnan.. 1881?? July 26th, 1884 appears to be the year in 3 sources I have..even though Farnan may have claimed the Oz H/W crown due to Larry Foley not meeting him or anyone after the Prof. Billy Miller debarcle.

    Anyway the fight was a unique match up in a more than unique ring.. 21 feet x 19 feet?? The boxing RING, roped off to become SQUARE.. only to be a fkn RECTANGLE??? Go figure.. and smaller than the actual Queensbury requirements.. lol Although being for the Oz H/W title, the newspapers still had to follow protocol, and placed advertisements stated the match up as merely an 'Exhibition of Boxing'.. such were the laws still in place.

    Mundine still does little more than exhibitions and behaves in the same manner as John L.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have Bill Farnan beating Charlie '******' Richardson by KO in the 6th in February 1881 for the Australian Title. But i must confess, my source is as simple as Cyberboxingzone. I am happy to be corrected if this is not correct. but, it does seem that Farnan was the best fighter in Australia for this period of time, even if he may not necessarilly have been the universally recognised champ.

    Another interesting thing i just read on Boxrec, is that in their second draw, Peter Jackson's supporters stormed the ring to prevent a KO. If this is true then Bill Farnan has KOd an ATG Heavyweight twice. In Quick succession. It is arguably as impressive (or even better ) than Liston's dominance over Patterson. I cant think of anyone else off hand with two quick KOs of a prime or close to prime All time great or top 50 (probably much higher) heavyweight.

    Either way though, it seems that Bill Farnan was the better fighter of the three (Foley, Farnan, Miller). It is an interesting point that you raise in real fights being declared exhibitions. Under these conditions (dont know how serious the fights were), according to CBZ, Larry Foley fought Jem Mace, William Miller, peter Jackson, Bob Fitzsimmons, Mick Dooley, Tom Lees, Jack Johnson and Tommy Burns. Now there is a good spread of fighters faced!
     
  13. sallywinder

    sallywinder Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you wont find a luds or an 20a37 in a thread like this....:good


    greatest fighter of all time...bar none. darcy kod fulton in 2 in a spar when darcy was in the US before les died....who was fred fulton????

    Of course it's quite difficult to predict the outcome considering the lack of footage on Fred Fulton but I'm sure one could come up with some kind of analysis based on all the newspaper reports and by comparing their achievements from 1915 to 1918.

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    Fred Fulton listed as 6'4-6'6½ inches tall, 84½ inch reach, weighed between 210 to 220 pounds.

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    Jess Willard 6'6½ inches tall, 83 inch reach, weighed around 240 pounds.
     
  14. Sydney Smutt

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    Kagsy was devastated when Jackson died....
     
  15. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    ROFLMA!!!!!

    Boilermaker.. Boxing was usually deemed 'exhibitive', with matches classified as nothing more. With the wine swilling top end of towners being the most 'fortunate' to witness brave and manly battles over the 3 minute venture, far less barbaric than the near do wells from the lower class of society, the likely hood of a disturbance in the crowd quickly rendered the 'exhibition' a draw,

    In the days where the transition of 'prize ring' headed towards 'Queensbury rules', the acceptance of the sport was struggling in the shadows of pompous twats with dictorial-like attitudes. Patrons often remained welcomed to 'golf clap' and 'hoorah' a little as a fighter bettered another, yet as soon as the crowd become a tad roudy, the police would interfere, causing a cease to the bout. BETTING was the main reason for such, as was the external betting on semi-legal practices.... Allowances for betting, other than a suggested 'purse' to fight for remained taboo.. hence trainers, cornermen, fans and all available would clamber into mayhem, ceasing the fight and causing a draw- no side bet, agreed purse of stake of any sort would be finalised.

    From all literature in my availability there seems nothing suggestive of Farnan being Champ in 1881.. His own claims through 1883 were continunously denied by Larry Foley who'd been taken to a 'draw' by Billy Miller.. albeit, Miller was paid the full gate and all betting moneys to agree with the choice of decision, thus allowing Foley's own record to remain unblemished. Therefore, Foley still laid claimancy to the title.

    Foley and Farnan did 'spar' a few rounds, although Foley belittled the young Farnan for his lack of boxing science, to the point where an infuriated Farnan placed an advertisement requesting a 'meet' with Foley. Foley never bothered, instead placing his young apprentice, Peter Jackson in the throws.

    The Farnan/Jackson bout did go ahead on July 26th, 1884 with Farnan coming out the victor (no, not Young V).. later claims of Peter Jackson being the victum of spiked water containing laudanum, morphine or potassium bromide raged.. even 20 years later the arguments were agreed on.. Either way, Jackson was beaten.

    As for the return match of the same year, the strength of Farnan had Jackson well and truly stuffed by the 5th round. Body shots had all but destroyed the negro and the feverish crowd bustled to cause a stoppage to the bout.. The end came in the 6th round with a surge of punishment that dropped Jackson.

    Police stopped the fight after a pretty ugly call from the crowd.. "the ******s licked'.. something that might give Ashley an instant erection??... Ending as a 6th round draw. A rematch again was touted for the following day.. not to be, nor was the proposal Richard K. Fox planned.. for John L. Sooky Pants to meet Farnan in Oz. This particular bout was being pushed as the greatest in all boxing history.. as all bouts of this magnitude, it fell through.

    I guess those days in Oz were pretty much the yard stick for H/W boxing, and boxing as a whole at the time. Many claim John L. to be the greatest reason for Queensbury rules being accepted GLOBALLY (stick that up your arse Ashley), yet the poms and Aussies had the intentions well in place, even when John L was thrashing around in a drunken stupor, claiming to be the H/W Champ.. what a joke!!