Nick Diaz vs GSP and Thiago Alves....

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Sardu, Jan 31, 2010.


  1. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    These hypothetical matchups obviously cannot happen anytime soon with Diaz being with SF and the others being in the UFC... However, I'm curious as to how you guys would these two panning out.... Diaz was simply sensational on saturday night.... GSP dominated legends like Penn and Hughes.... Common opponent Sean Sherk decisioned Diaz a few years back but was beaten convincingly by GSP.... Alves is a vicious stand up fighter with frightening power, strength, explosiveness.... He was also dominated by GSP.... Diaz with his submission game would have the edge on the ground vs Alves.... These would be great fights as both GSP and Diaz are peaking in their respective careers right about now.... Sux it cannot happen unless the UFC is willing to co-promote with Strikeforce which will almost certainly never happen.... Has Diaz burned his bridges with the UFC? He is a hot fighter right now.
     
  2. WATERBOY

    WATERBOY I Worship Steven Tucker Full Member

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    Diaz would get beat bad by both different class!
     
  3. Monoxide

    Monoxide Active Member Full Member

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    Diaz would get destroyed by both like the guy above said. I'd give Diaz little chance of even earning a fight with either in the UFC
     
  4. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Thanks for the feedback so far.
     
  5. Monoxide

    Monoxide Active Member Full Member

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    Whats your opinion? Just curious :)
     
  6. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Well, I don't claim to know a lot about the technical aspects of MMA.... They say that Diaz has great BJJ and he sure is nasty with his hands.... It is just that GSP is dominating other great fighters with ease at this point in time.... I would say that Diaz makes his usual very game showing but loses to GSP by convincing decision... Against Alves, Diaz would probably lose but I would make him a much more live underdog.... GSP, along with guys like Fedor, Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, is simply on another level.... By the way, how would guys see Nate Marqurhat (forget how his name is spelled) doing in a rematch with Anderson Silva? Do you think Belfort has any chance against him in their upcoming fight?
     
  7. Dynamite Kid

    Dynamite Kid "I Must Break You" Full Member

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    Diaz defeats Alves IMO.

    Reason:

    His body has filled out. He's grown into that weight. When Diaz originally fought at 170 in the past, he actually should have been fighting at 155. That's why we saw guys like Sanchez, Parisyan, Sherk, etc beat him. Those guys were real 170 lbers. Diaz wasn't, though he still fought well there.

    Diaz beats Alves the same way he beat Zaromskis. By pressing the action, making him uncomfortable, and taking the action right to the Striker, when Alves is most comfortable coming foward. He'll drag him into the later rounds where Alves may start to fatigue, and Diaz is a very well conditioned athlete. Zaromskis (a better kickboxer than Alves) had trouble with Diaz's reach & activity. Alves (like Zaromskis) has a good TDD, but obviously we see now how Diaz can improvise that. Continue to stalk his opponent, pepper him with those buzzing punches, go to the body (like he did Shamrock & Zaromskis), and beat him up.

    Alves would be uncomfortable with Diaz's size, akwardness, and style. Alves may land some big shots and get Diaz's attention, but as he sees Diaz still moving foward and undiscouraged while taunting him, it may bother him mentally, because Diaz will continue to come after him. Eventually after a round or 2 or maybe 3, Diaz can put Alves on his back (where he's not comfortable) and dominate the fight some more. If Diaz can take Alves down (which eventually he would) he may finish the fight. Alves Jiu-jitsu sucks. Diaz by SUB or TKO.

    GSP defeats Diaz IMO.

    Reason:

    We've seen GSP neutralize great Grapplers. In GSP's UFC debut, he fought Karo Parisyan. A highly ranked Judo specialist, while GSP's didn't have nearly as much experience as he does now. He controlled Karo, out Grappled him, and dictated the pace most of the fight. GSP defeated BJ Penn twice. BJ, a better Boxer and Jiu-jitsu Fighter than Diaz, had trouble controlling GSP.

    GSP's activity, workrate, great Wrestling, vicious GNP, and versatile standup would be a VERY difficult task for Diaz because of the difference in class & style. Diaz (a fighter coming into his own right now) is still a level or 2 below GSP. Diaz's come foward style would play right into GSP, and he would be single or double legged, then beaten up on the ground. GSP has competed in Grappling competitions and has fought enough Grapplers ranked higher than Diaz to be subbed, though it's a fight and anything is possible, but in this paticular matchup, not likely.

    Diaz (a busy fighter, with a tremendous workrate) would work from his back. He would try and scramble for position with GSP, and would be put on his back again. GSP would maintain control of Diaz with his Wrestling ability alone. Diaz, when he fought Sanchez, in what was basically a scrambling match for 15 mins, ended up on his back after most of the scrambles, as Diego was able to control him with better Wrestling and workrate. GSP would do the same, but cause a bit more damage. GSP by wide UD.
     
  8. Monoxide

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    Nate has improved a lot but I still think he gets beat by Silva. Silva and Belfort is going to be interesting. Dunno who I am gonna go with yet...probably Silva
     
  9. wholesomefolsom

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    Diaz whoops Alves all day unless Alves lands the perfect punch, which is possible, but we've only really seen Diaz truly stunned by a punch at 160 when he was weight-drained (Noons and Gomi). It all really comes down to if you think Diaz can take Alves' best punch.

    As far as GSP goes, he could give GSP all he could handle and I don't think GSP could finish Diaz, but GSP would win decisively by avoiding submissions and maintaining position on the ground. GSP is just heads and shoulders above anyone in the division though. Sure, a bum like Hardy could land a lucky punch and beat GSP (that's just the nature of MMA), but when it comes to matching skills at 170 and truly beating a guy, Koschek and Diaz are probably the divisions only hope right now and they are facing long odds.
     
  10. wholesomefolsom

    wholesomefolsom New Member Full Member

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    He can take rounds off Anderson, but Anderson gets to him in a 5 round fight. Now that he's seen Anderson once before, he may be able to bring something new to the table. Marquardt has to be rusty though. The only fight I can remember him being in lately was that destruction of Maia which lasted all of 10 seconds. The fans may have liked it, but the guy needs to get some work in and I wouldn't get too excited about him demolishing a BJJ guy w/ no standup. The only way that fight w/ Maia would have been interesting was if it hit the ground. Instead, we saw Maia get obliterated and just had a reaffirmation of what we already knew: Maia's standup game blows.

    Puncher's chance, nothing else. Don't buy into the hype train when it gains it's momentum. A lot of old school fans and wanna be old school fans will tell you about how great Vitor could be if he finds his old game, but he won't. All he's got is that puncher's chance. Ignore that hypetrain when it comes rolling through.
     
  11. achillesthegreat

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  12. Strike

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    Diaz does not have good power at all. He was landing flush over and over again and it took a lot to even drop Zaromskis. He throws a lot of punches and is good and aggressive, but he has a wide open defence and very average power.
    He would be obliterated by either GSP or Alves, not even competitive.
     
  13. cloud_cyc

    cloud_cyc p4p demon Full Member

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    gsp > diaz
    alves > diaz
     
  14. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Diego beat Diaz pretty convincingly, GSP and Alves would murder him.
     
  15. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Theres a BIG difference between the guy's Diaz is beating and the UFC's finest.