Are gloves in MMA an advantage?

You could break your hand with 16 oz boxing gloves on. That's not the point. MMA gloves still protect your hands.

 

Seems more of a cosmetic protection than something that is really going to protect your hand from breaking. At least imo.

I think part of it has to do with the fact that people don't train at body hardening, so they are going to have sort of weak hands, and that is in no way me talking **** about people who break their hands.. It happens.. I still think even with crazy body hardening you can probably easily break your hand with a left hook, or a sort of incorrect land.

****s sake, Fedor breaks the crap out of his hands almost every other fight..

TbH the more I think about the use of gloves, the more reasons I can think of, as to why they are good for mma..

Guys wont have the sort of bloody hands/bloody knuckles thing going on, looks less violent.. Further distances MMA from the stigma of old, "bare knuckles, no rules" stuff that MMA was sort of labeled as, as well.

I think they will protect fighters faces from being busted up, as well as protecting fighters hands. As it IS mixed martial arts, and not everyone is going to have a bone bludgeon for a fist. The glove is is suitable for more types of fighters.

 

If you look at a cross-section of bone through a microscope,you'll see they have a honeycomb structure.This gives them strength and flexibility.They can undergo a certain degree of deformation due to instantaneous stress without breaking.

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A plank of wood or a block of concrete at the microscopic level lack this rigid,regular structure. When given a hard shock they lack the flexibility of bone- instead of slightly bending during the impact-they break.




BTW I doubt no gloves would favour the puncher. I get the impression that average professional bareknuckle contest from the nineteenth centuries lasted longer than those of the twentieth.Fighters were loathe to go wild with punches to the opponents head,because of the risk of busting your knuckles on his cranium was too great.

 

I'm saddened to see that you decided to bring hatred into the conversation. Hopefully someday you will acquire the skill to have a mature, intelligent conversation.

the point is the face will break long before the hand

without gloves, blocking also become harder. In the video evidence I posted I dont see them breaking their hands on blocks, do you?

In the video they throw multiple hooks, proper hooks. I think what you mean is that the unskilled typical UFC fighter who goes out throwing wild haymakers with improper technique and unconditioned hands will get himself hurt.

Furthermore, if gloves are to protect the striker, why are they mandatory?

I'm sure machida would prefer to fight bareknuckle. His punching style is dominating and would do even better if he was bare knuckle, because he tends to punch properly.

whos hands?

So someones face which is covered in a layer of fat and skin and preceeded by a fragile thin piece of cartalidge, mounted on a neck which moves and gives, would be more of a threat to the trained hand than slabs of granite?

then why is it that the kyokushin fighters are able to punch eachother barefisted and repeatedly, often to the point of a KO from body shots?

sounds like they didnt just swing like wild ******s, they actually had to use proper technique.


Also, I would like to point out that no one is even attempting to refute my argument that a proper bareknuckle punch does more damage due to decreased surface area, increased density, proper bone alignment, and the cutting factor.

 

you know your stuff, joe. :good

 

Damage to the soft tissues of an opponent's face would be greater with a bareknuckle punch. I grant you that.

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The thing is most fighters would quickly cotton on to that and at the moment before the punch lands would duck or more their head so that the impact would be on their forehead or top of the skull.

I'd say if you chose to punch with full power the cranial vault of a well conditioned fighter would be potentially more damaging than a concrete slab. So ultimately bareknuckle fighters would be more cautious and less likely to throw knockout bombs to the opponent's head than gloved fighters.

Simply put the cranium is stronger and sturdier than any of the bones in your hand. No human being can punch through through the skull of the average male adult like some can do with wooden planks or concrete slabs.

 

The head has give because the neck moves backward with that much force. It wouldn't be anything like punching a wall, but granted it would be harder than punching the face. With conditioned knuckles and proper technique you would probably be able to punch again even if it was a direct blow to the cranium. Even so It would be extremely painful to the receiving end and could still KO the person. Not to mention they would probably have a gusher of blood coming from their head.

The mead movement skill necessary to pull that off (blocking with cranium) perfectly without getting KO'd would be extremely hard to acquire, and could be bested by punching in combination, using hooks and uppercuts, feinting, etc...

If the head was pressed up against the wall, and a world level power breaker hit it square, I have no doubt that the skull would crack. Not explode like in a movie, but defiantly crack somewhere.

 

The thing is Joe it is alot easier to use textbook technique on an object that doesn't move. You cannot say that people who condition there hands never have injuries because you have shown us a handful of videos and they 'seemed' ok, this proves nothing, how many people are going to post video's of themselves getting their hands broken anyway? Widowmaker has given you a first hand account of what can happen from this kind of conditioning.

It could also be argued that the correct technique used to broke boards is not correct technique to use in a fight, how often do you see punches being thrown downwards into a stationary object? Never, could these guys deliver the same devastating blows throwing punches upwards which is often the case in a fight? I doubt it.

 

I have.

Its a cosmetic protection on a bag. The only thing the gloves do is prevent my hands from chafing or bleeding.. I'm not worried about breaking my hands on a punching bag

 

You know, there are people who break coconuts open with hand strikes. I'm not even kidding.

 

I wasn't talking about my fingers, I was talking about my fists/knuckles. Those are the things I'm comparing it to when I compare someone's head, vs. a heavy bag.. I'm not worried about chafing my fingers on a person

You can injure your rotator cuffs, tendons, wrists and such on a heavy bag. Likely not going to break your carpals or Meta carpals on it.

 

It sure is. What do you have to say about the videos I have posted of trained bareknuckle kyokushinkai fighters wailing on eachothers ribs? The same techniques seem to work well on resisting oppoenets.

there are not a handful of videos. There are hundreds, probably thousands of kyokushin matches on youtube. I just didnt want to flood this forum with them. Go type in kyokushin tournament and start watching videos.

Yes, people do post videos of bad things happening to them, and furthermore the majority of those fights are posted by an enthusiast of the fighting who is just posting the videos of all the fights from a tournament.

The evidence is so extensive it is overwhelming.

yeah, his brother of unspecified age, name, and skill who trained at an unspecified location, alledgedly got a BOXERS BREAK (a break that happens with punching with the wrong part of your hand, not from overloading your primary knuckles) in an unsanctioned fight against an unspecified opponent. Yeah, sounds pretty conclusive.

By the way, its not a first hand account because he wasn't involved.

upwards? do you mean an uppercut, or an upright reverse punch?

The power of these strikes I have shown is indeed stronger because it is downward, and my point is that the proper fist using the proper technique can withstand far more force (and against a stronger object) than a punch in a match would ever be thrown at. Their ability to withstand forceful impact greatly exceeds that which is needed.

The technique does not change, you still hit with the front two knuckles of your fist. See the videos of the makiwara and the kyokushin fights.

I believe him because I do it all the time. I punch a 160 lb water bag with no padding, in a bladder of vulcanized rubber repeatedly with my bareknuckles and am perfectly fine except for a little redness and soreness. And the waterbag has less give than the avarage padded bag.

 

oh yeah, ever heard the expression "his head is as hard as a rock?"

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He didn't seem to break any 'small bones' in his hands

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Funny thing is, I have stood exactly where he is breaking those. I have also trained in the building behind him.