Why are you against Olympic style blood testing?

Keep testing my man. If you want to make high hematocrit illegal, so be it...?

Or I dunno, you could fake urine results like LLND and WADA, and have Dick Pound yell from roof tops that X cyclists was a doper?

 

as we have discussed here before, how do we detect something that is not yet known? and do the olympic style testing detect this new kind of EPOs by their current standards?

 

is this an olympic standard or the cycling testing standard? how many times do they test and do you think it is feasible to adapt this to boxing?

 

i biological pass, where a fighters values are being measured, whether it be testosterone or hematocrit etc.

if a fighters previously measured values are being overshadowed by new ones, then ban him for a period of time, until he reaches his more normal levels.

this is done in cycling where a hematocrit value of 50 is considered a health risk and therefore the cyclist is banned from competitions for 2 weeks.

eventhough thats the official reason, im inclined to believe, that such a high value, is also being considered as cirumstancial evidence, when it comes to epo.

its not a perfect method, but it seems as the best there is.

 

i see. so this method would require a series of blood test? i think this would add further complexity. and this could be more stringent than the olympic style testing.

 

in cycling avery protour rider, has to give wada their whereabouts in advance.

That means, if you are on a holiday with your family, then thats a need to know. If you do not comply, you get a strike, you have 3 strikes within a period of 2 years. THAT is insanely strict and goes a bit beyond whats called for.

lets say, fighter A arrives in the top 20, then he has to get some tests done. Within a given period of time, the testers will "hunt" him and get their test, in order to establish some sort of coherant values. They will of course drop by un-announced.

Then afterwards they dould ease of, as they know his values right down to the wire..

its not perfect, but i can see why the experts who controls testing in cycling are for it..

 

yeah that's a little strict. i guess it is really worth it in cycling cause the sports is based almost entirely on stamina and endurance. boxing is a little different and endurance only plays part of the role. is EPO only the subtance that is mostly abused in cycling or do they also use roids rampantly just like in baseball?

 

through the years in cycling, just about any drug you can mention, has been invólved:yep those dudes way back tried out speed before cycling through 200km, with half of the distance being mountains.

i know that in boxing, there are other things to consider, but when you are tired, everything becomes that much harder. So to prohibit the tiredness to set in, would make on hell of a difference.

i know you are a pac fan,and im really questioning his motives for not doing the tests, but i have a hunch that the land of opportunities will be hurt the most, by strict testing procedures.

 

... but, what's wrong with Pac had agreed to. Blood test early in Jan. then random blood test to until 24 days before the fight and then right after the fight. Urine test all the way to fight day.

 

well if pro leagues thinks that urine testing is enough based on a cost-effective balance, and would still control PED users, they would continue with it. the only problem that i see right now in boxing is the test not being random. but even in it's current form some boxers are already busted.

 

Sorry if anyone else has made this point, but this could be the saving of boxing. High standard drug testing in sport is easy, all boxing has to do is join WADA. WADA has made a number of petitions to the boxing councils and has always been ignored. Except in amateur boxing where every nation is a member of WADA. Most professional sports around the world are also a members of WADA, the exceptions being some of the big american sports.

However as boxing has no recognised international governing body if the call for drug testing in professional boxing became loud enough, then one would have to be created, and guess what....no more alphabets...wouldnt that be great!!!

 

You are right, its not only the top fighters who cheat.
.....but its not going to be cost effective to test every fighter because there are thousands and thousands of pro fights every year, and most of them are fighters not even ranked in the top 50 of a division......just thousands and thousands.....

The reason that someone not ranked would juice is because they want to get to the top......and if that happens, they're going to get side swiped and destroyed once they're there, because all of a sudden they're not going ot be able to take their PED's......

I would say that testing at the very top would cut down the use by alot of fighters at the bottom as well.

There is a saying in boxing.......the championship rounds are not about skill, but about will.
.......two evenly matched fighters, one taking PED's the other not......I wonder who's will is going to shine in the championship rounds???:roll:

 

because now we know a li'l ******* that's cheating & we need to take him out in order to make it a better/cleaner sport! Is that good enough 4 u?

 

so why would you adapt a rule specifically for a certain group of fighters only? if you want an effective program you had to do it to all regardless of skill level. this way ou are not bias or singling out a set of fighters.

 

Amateur boxers don't get blood tested normally, unless they're good enough to qualify for the Olympics. There's a clear separation from the elite to your average guy down the street that fights as an amateur.

Keeping more-stringent testing at the top level in the pro's would be a good start. I understand it's better to be for everyone, but if it has to start somewhere, so be it.