Benitez-Duran '82 / Weight Issue.....

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  1. MRBILL

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    Divac,

    You sound just like Te Tumbo up front........... A Mexican lover; other than---Hater........ Duran is / was GREAT!
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  2. MAG1965

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    Duran was never a good matchup with a legend with speed, which Hagler/Hearns/Benitez/Leonard had.
     
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    I am reviewing Duran's ill fated fight with Benitez from 1982 by way of my HBO tape..... Duran looked fit, trim and tanned at 152, however, he also looked sluggish and non-aggressive against the cagey / savvy Benitez...... Duran was just a step slow in this fight.... Many have speculated that Duran was weight drained.... Perhaps he was, but he still looked good and toned for the photo-shots........

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  4. Mantequilla

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    shut the **** up.
     
  5. MAG1965

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    Typical Duran excuses when losing to a great fighter. Question is why do people believe the nonsense.
     
  6. MAG1965

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    Have respect. This is how you type on a message board when you do not like what someone is saying? I type what I believe and I type facts. I have never disrespected anyone on these boards and yet I give my opinion and I state facts.
     
  7. MRBILL

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    Well, I can tell Duran was not happy when pitted against a mover with speed....... I'm sure Duran was most comfortable when he was up against a guy looking to trade and brawl with him..... Duran was able to chase a runner, but he hated doing it......

    Now, in 1982, Benitez didn't run from Duran... NO! Benitez just was too quick, spry and reflexive at age 23 against the 31 year old Duran....... Also, Benitez looked bigger and better fit at 154 pounds in 1982 than Duran was at the time........ Basically, Benitez grew into the division, while Duran ate and drank himself to Jr. Middleweight.....

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  8. MRBILL

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    As I stated earlier, I read an interview from circa--'83 in World Boxing magazine from an interview Duran conducted........ Duran stated he had to lose 38 pounds to make weight for Benitez.......

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  9. MAG1965

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    I agree with your post but about Duran eating and drinking himself into the division I am not too sure. He was weighting in at 151 or 152 in tuneup fights as early as 1978 when Benitez was leaving or entering the welterweight division. He was at 154 3 years before Benitez ever was. If he was not in shape that is his problem. Benitez was.
     
  10. MAG1965

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    Yeah Duran stated it. And he stated for Leonard he was out of shape and his stomach hurt, and for Hearns another excuse. All the greats he lost to (the best fighters he ever fought) he had excuses for. The amazing thing is that people believe it. Had Hearns or Leonard or Hagler said they did not train no one would have cared. Duran gets special consideration because he was likable and had a great personality. And he did, but that should not affect the truth or facts.
     
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    I gotta check Duran's weights from 1979 to early 1980....... To my knowledge, Duran never fought heavier than 149 pounds at that juncture... I cannot recall if that was against 'Wellington Wheatly' or 'Zeferino Gonzalez.'

    I know Duran weighed his career high (At the Time) in 1981 against Nino Gonzalez at 155 pounds.... But by then, Duran would refuse to ever fight below Jr. Middleweight ever again.....

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    Christ, Duran lost a 10 rounder against some other latin dude in 1999 and Duran weighed-in at 176 pounds....... He must've looked a porker....
     
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    Duran was blimpy for the press conference for the 'Hearns' fight of 1984.... Duran and Hearns held a conference in March 1984 announcing the fight in Vegas for June..... Duran was already in training, but he claimed he was 178 pounds during the conference and in the process of losing weight....... Hearns looked lean--as usual.....

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  13. MAG1965

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    Hearns at the time walked around at 165-170. That was discipline and he really could not go up higher. When he fought Andries in 1987 he said he was eating more just to get up to the weight limit. He was not as big a guy natural as people want to make him seem. Just because he was 6-1, he was still a lean guy like you said. Duran could go up to plus 200. Duran always had excuses for the legends when he fought them. 3 months to get ready for a fight is pretty good. Duran said he was not in shape for Ray 2 or Benitez. I think the excuses in weight and training are a little exagerrated. If anything, if he did not train well for all the greats he fought, maybe he knew he would not win and had an excuse already set up just in case. I don't know. But why would this happen in all his fights vs. great fighters, but not when he fought Moore and Barkley? He was a smart guy and probably knew who he could beat and who he couldn't. He did land a good punch on Tommy so he had a chance, and he always had power. So who knows why he made up those excuses. Excuses are expected. Whenever a good fighter losses I always wait to see what excuses they will come up with. It is always there. Rarely does a fighter say he was beaten by a better fighter who was faster. That takes a lot of courage and honesty.
     
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    I remember that fight. I was surprised that he lost. I forget the guys name. I always wondered how long Duran would have fought had he not had that car accident. He might have kept fighting a few more years. But he probably would have not have been fighting now. He is almost 59 year old now. When I thought Duran should not be fighting anymore was when he lost to Joppy in 3 rounds was it? I forgot the exact round, but Joppy would have been an easy fight for Duran 10 years before when he fought Barkley.
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Duran weighed 176 for his '99 decision loss to Omar Gonzalez......:patsch:shock:

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