Is Manny Pacquiao the new Henry Armstrong?

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was watching the Cotto vs. Pacquiao fight the other day and one of the comments Lampley made regarding Henry Armstrong jumping up weight divisions and comparing him to Manny got me thinking.

    When you consider the quality of wins and the fact that he's won titles in 7 different weight classes including the lineal title in 4 different weight classes. Is there a legitimate argument that Manny Pacquaio is the new Henry Armstrong?

    And if so what is the highest possible rank that he merits at this time.

    I chose to do this thread in the classic forum for obvious reasons.

    Best wins in no particular order

    Erik Morales x2
    Marco Antonio Barerra x2
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Ricky Hatton
    Miguel Cotto
    Oscar De la Hoya

    8 wins over 6 quality elite level fighters (though you can argue that De la Hoya was not an elite level at 147 at the time they met) and a decent supporting cast of:

    David Diaz
    Oscar Larios
    Jorge Solis

    Well?
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, both are great at weight hopping, up there with the best weight hopping of any fighter. But both arent that great/dominant H2H at any particular weight class
     
  3. EleventhHour

    EleventhHour Got Dat Black & Gold Soul Full Member

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    I think depending on how Manny does against Clottey, then if he wins, against the PBF/Sugar Shane winner (if he beats them all decisively) then it would be fair to say that's he's a dominant Welterweight.

    Still too early to say though.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    If that happens I'd sort of agree although I cant see it happening and if it did (it wont) but he still wouldnt be a top3 WW H2H. IMO he was twice beat by Marquez at 126/130 so at those weights he isnt a H2H king at those weights
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would compare him more with Canzoneri or McLarnin but even than he is not up with those two. Not even speaking about Armstrong.

    Pac is great, no doubt but people get carried away quite a bit.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I rank Armstrong in the top 1-5 and Pac in the top 30-35. Only one Armstrong for me though. No new ones. Just the one.
     
  7. kidargentine

    kidargentine Member Full Member

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    No. Even though Armstrong won titles in only 3 divisions, it was actually a much bigger achievement given the nature of armstrongs era...
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Like Armstrong not having to face the other top blk contenders :yep
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Relative to the quality of fighters in general the past few decades, sure, he could be considered a modern Armstrong.

    Very few (No one sane anyway) people are going to claim Pacquiao's greatness is comparable to Armstrong's, but, again.... Relative to the talent pools he's moved through and how he's dispatched his opposition you could make the comparison.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    1 big difference is Pacquaio was always the bigger man pre-140lbs, he would add a solid 4lbs of muscle year on year and get bigger. Tell me how many times Pacquaio has been the smaller man in the ring, probably his last 3 and first Morales fight

    Armstrong was in with bigger men, Pacman wasnt
     
  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I voted "yes". Not because i think Pacquiao is as great as Armstrong, but because Pac is the modern equivalent. Due to politics, money, etc, it's simply not possible for a modern, established boxer to fight 12 times a year and rack up a legacy like Armstrong did. But Pac's weight class jumping certainly is remarkable, not to mention the fact that he has legit, proven one-punch KO power all the way up to 140lbs.
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's not the new Armstrong, but the new McLarnin.

    His career has spanned from flyweight to welter, but he's never settled into or cleaned out any one weight class.
     
  13. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, Ray Robinson, Willie Joyce, Beau Jack, Chalkey Wright, and John Thomas were as white as bones. :nut :lol:
     
  14. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pacquiao has to fight outside of his home country. Armstrong wasn't
     
  15. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i always thought that was a hilarious name for a black guy