I was watching the Cotto vs. Pacquiao fight the other day and one of the comments Lampley made regarding Henry Armstrong jumping up weight divisions and comparing him to Manny got me thinking. When you consider the quality of wins and the fact that he's won titles in 7 different weight classes including the lineal title in 4 different weight classes. Is there a legitimate argument that Manny Pacquaio is the new Henry Armstrong? And if so what is the highest possible rank that he merits at this time. I chose to do this thread in the classic forum for obvious reasons. Best wins in no particular order Erik Morales x2 Marco Antonio Barerra x2 Juan Manuel Marquez Ricky Hatton Miguel Cotto Oscar De la Hoya 8 wins over 6 quality elite level fighters (though you can argue that De la Hoya was not an elite level at 147 at the time they met) and a decent supporting cast of: David Diaz Oscar Larios Jorge Solis Well?
Yes, both are great at weight hopping, up there with the best weight hopping of any fighter. But both arent that great/dominant H2H at any particular weight class
I think depending on how Manny does against Clottey, then if he wins, against the PBF/Sugar Shane winner (if he beats them all decisively) then it would be fair to say that's he's a dominant Welterweight. Still too early to say though.
If that happens I'd sort of agree although I cant see it happening and if it did (it wont) but he still wouldnt be a top3 WW H2H. IMO he was twice beat by Marquez at 126/130 so at those weights he isnt a H2H king at those weights
I would compare him more with Canzoneri or McLarnin but even than he is not up with those two. Not even speaking about Armstrong. Pac is great, no doubt but people get carried away quite a bit.
I rank Armstrong in the top 1-5 and Pac in the top 30-35. Only one Armstrong for me though. No new ones. Just the one.
No. Even though Armstrong won titles in only 3 divisions, it was actually a much bigger achievement given the nature of armstrongs era...
Relative to the quality of fighters in general the past few decades, sure, he could be considered a modern Armstrong. Very few (No one sane anyway) people are going to claim Pacquiao's greatness is comparable to Armstrong's, but, again.... Relative to the talent pools he's moved through and how he's dispatched his opposition you could make the comparison.
1 big difference is Pacquaio was always the bigger man pre-140lbs, he would add a solid 4lbs of muscle year on year and get bigger. Tell me how many times Pacquaio has been the smaller man in the ring, probably his last 3 and first Morales fight Armstrong was in with bigger men, Pacman wasnt
I voted "yes". Not because i think Pacquiao is as great as Armstrong, but because Pac is the modern equivalent. Due to politics, money, etc, it's simply not possible for a modern, established boxer to fight 12 times a year and rack up a legacy like Armstrong did. But Pac's weight class jumping certainly is remarkable, not to mention the fact that he has legit, proven one-punch KO power all the way up to 140lbs.
He's not the new Armstrong, but the new McLarnin. His career has spanned from flyweight to welter, but he's never settled into or cleaned out any one weight class.
Yeah, Ray Robinson, Willie Joyce, Beau Jack, Chalkey Wright, and John Thomas were as white as bones. :nut