Tommy Hearns vs Jerry Quarry

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  1. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He would 'spark' him with what? CW wannabe power? If Shavers and Lyle couldn't do it, what makes you think a blown up LHW could do it?
     
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    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also remember that Frazier-Quarry 1 was stopped because of cuts. Jerry was beaten soundly...no question about that, but if Frazier couldn't knock him out, what chance do you give Hearns at CW?
     
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    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Maurice Greene used to be 160pounds at 5"9, before he starting training with HSI and the legendary John Smith. Where he then beefed up to 175 -180pounds in his prime, when he was the fastest man in the world, and changed the game of sprinting forever.

    Did the powerlifting slow Maurice Greene down..????

    No..

    Don't open your mouth, if you don't fully understand what is being said.

    Its all abou power to weight ratio..
     
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    I gotta get back in this... pretty decent thread!

    Anyway, Quarry was a tough guy, a fan favorite, and he was a white HW... many people are going to get in an uproar when they feel a guy like this is being disrespected. I just hope no crosses get burned!

    Back to the fight...

    It's possible that he could get Hearns out of there early but it's also possible that Hearns could box circles around him.


    I don't think it's fair to judge what Tommy would do based off of what he did at CW. Hearns has a big frame and would be able to carry about 190Lbs. even while very close to his prime. Next issue...

    I keep reading about how "Quarry was able to handle this guys punches, so why wouldn't he handle Hearns?". I've also read about how "Hearns was hurt by this guy, so why wouldn't Quarry hurt him?". Are you all serious? There are plenty of reasons...

    Sure, guys like Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, and others were bigger, stronger, and could hurt a guy worse than Hearns could but boxing is rarely about who is bigger, stronger, or even who has more power.

    Some of you are ignoring the basic fundamentals of the game. Hearns was faster and more skilled than those guys. Also, guys like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, and others were faster and more skilled than Quarry or the above mentioned fighters he faced.

    Look at James Toney's fights vs. Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum, and a few others at 160 and 168. He was hurt, knocked down, cut, and lucky to escape with a win vs. Johnson. Johnson wasn't even considered a big puncher. Why wasn't a 250Lb+ big puncher like Sam Peter able to do much vs. Toney? It's because Johnson is way faster and more skilled than Peter, not because he punches harder. Wake up people! I'm not saying Tommy would destroy him. I'm simply stating that he "could" win a decision... I'm kinda thinking a RJJ vs. Ruiz type of win.
     
  5. booradley

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    I'm a big fan of both guys, and I actually think this fight would be similiar to Hearns/Barkley. Tommy would look fantastic right up to the point where Jerry hits him on the chin, and then, it's over.
     
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    Well, lifting and the PEDs.
     
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    Other sports may well benefit from powerlifting techniques. I'm still not sure whether it does boxing training any good. Frank Bruno had a physique like a top body builder. This is partly what made him so stiff at times.
     
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    Just because a guy has a few exciting fights vs some top guys, it doesn't mean he is a top guy. I don't see Quarry dominating any era to be honest with you.
     
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    Ok, he obviously wouldn't beat Joe Louis at his best but I do , however, see him being very compeitive with Dempsey and beating the **** out of Marciano. He would be able to handle most of the HWs from the 80's except for Holmes and '85-88 Tyson. He would have problems with some of the gargantuan HWs of the 90's but he could absolutely beat every HW out there today, including Wlad...Vitali's another story:-(.
     
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    You sir are certainly entitled to your opinion! I don't think Quarry was quite that good... but I do enjoy watching some of his old fights. I will also admit that he was tough as hell.

    I'll assume you'd pick Quarry over Ruiz, right? I'm not so sure Quarry would get past Ruiz with a win.

    Wlad vs. Quarry? I'll take Wlad in 2!
     
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    How about Quarry vs. the likes of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, or Jersey Joe Walcott?
     
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    Quarry/Walcott:think

    To bad we'll never get to see that one!
     
  13. Son of Gaul

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    That would be a great fight but I don't think Walcott would trouble Quarry that much. Of the listed fighters, Ezzard Charles would probably have the best chance based on his extraordinary boxing acumen and speed. These kinds of guys(Machen, Ellis, Ali) troubled him more than anything else.
     
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    Bodybuilding does not equal Powerlifting, and Brunos problems in the ring werent physical
     
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    So, Charles would have a chance huh? No disrespect intended but IMO you are overrating Quarry. Ezzard Charles was one of the best fighters ever! Quarry wouldn't stand a chance vs. a well prepared Charles.

    Charles went 42-0 as an amateur... the only HW champ that went undefeated before turning pro. He also has more wins as a pro than any other HW champ.

    He would have been the first 2x HW Champ had he got the nod vs. Jersey Joe Walcott in their 4th fight. He also lost a close decision to Marciano for the title.

    From 1946- mid 1951 Charles went 39-1 overall and 9-0 in HW World Title Fights. The only loss was a split-decision to Elmer Ray. He stopped Ray in 9 rounds in the rematch. During this time Charles also beat:

    Archie Moore x3, Lloyd Marshall x2, Jimmy Bivins x3, Fitzie Fitzpatrick x2, Sam Baroudi, Joe Baksi, Joey Maxim x5, Jersey Joe Walcott x2, Gus Lesnevich, Pat Valentino, Joe Louis, and Lee Oma among others.

    He went 25-5 vs. the above mentioned fighters. He beat every fighter that beat him in those 30 fights though (Ray 1 out of 2, Marshall 2 out of 3, Bivins 4 out of 5, and Walcott 2 out of 4).

    Earlier in his career (before 1946) he beat Marty Simmons, Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis, and Charley Burley twice. He also drew with Ken Overlin.

    Even past his prime he gave a prime Rocky Marciano hell (L15 and Lkoby8 in Charles' 98th and 99th pro fights).

    Charles W15 Quarry but I wouldn't be surprised if Charles stopped him.