Sonny Liston vs Mike Tyson: Battle of the monsters

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  1. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    me too
    I think tysons explosivness and speed would be negated when he ate one of listons jabs. the thing was hard. Liston had good enough hand speed to trade with Tyson, who didn't have the best chin ever. plus Liston has a longer reach and more power if you ask me. Liston would NOT be afraid of Tyson, it may be the other way around.
     
  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fixed.
     
  3. benhazin

    benhazin New Member Full Member

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    If Tyson could not get pass Buster Douglass' jab he would have even more trouble with Liston.
     
  4. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Liston is underrated on these forums, he had a great jab that would give Tyson some problems. Although I think a prime Tyson would win, it wouldn't be the walkover some think.
     
  5. motorcity cobra

    motorcity cobra hooker Full Member

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    That's a pretty ******ed statement right there. He has an exceptional chin. It took multiple shots to put him down. No one punch KO's, and he wasn't KO'd by the compressed air like Liston was against Ali either
     
  6. fg2227

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    just for the record liston was bigger than tyson.
     
  7. Chopper

    Chopper Cant be stopped Full Member

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    im going to say Liston.
     
  8. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That version of Tyson(Kevin Rooney still trainer) would be a tough out for anyone...even '62 Liston. I do think that Liston has the jab to do it but...:-(
     
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  10. ecdrm15

    ecdrm15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The guy had a 19.5 in. neck.
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Eh, what happened the press conference?
     
  12. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I used to fancy Tyson in a war based on superior defence. Now I think the key to this match-up is distance. Liston was a monster from the outside with those long arms, that heavy jab and killer straight right. One of the things he did really well against an advancing opponent was getting to the punch first at a distance, and then taking the fight to the inside and neutralising his man if he got inside Liston's reach. Tyson can only really operate at mid-range, and I think he gets hit a bit too much by Sonny on the way in and then gets tied up or out-hustled up close before he can get his shots off.

    Obviously, nothing is certain in this one, as both guys have the power to put each-other's lights out at any moment. But I'm going with Liston by decision or late stoppage.
     
  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    :lol:

    Tyson was great H2H, but nowhere near the GOAT. He's probably a low-ranking ATG at the best of times.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Liston wins this one, and I think he's the toughest match in history for Tyson. Liston has literally no difficulty with men coming to him and struggles horribly with speed going away from him.

    The reason Tyson struggles on occasion with men coming to him is that he is a one-range fighter - a devastating one, but a one range fighter. He is a mid-range fighter of the highest class and a "bulling" fighter - coming from long to middle range - of very high standard.

    Here he is up against a fighter who is literally as adept at nearly all the ranges involved in a fight as he is at the others - that is to say, he does not have a preference at which range the fight is fought. This is due to his underated athleticism and his physical/technical tools in addition to "yeah?" attitude.

    Liston is also a vastly underated ring general. He has made many adjustments in various fights (maybe most impressively in Williams II where he shifts to the front foot in the very first round having constructed a fight plan based on the first fight which differed) to his opponents detriment.

    Add all this up and you have battleground that favours Liston. Tyson will come directly to Liston and try to hammer him. My guess is that Liston would spear him with the jab. Yes, Tyson has extraordinary head movement, and yes it is overated. Tyson did not use arbitrary head movement like Jack Dempsey did. Tyson moved in a pattern. In other words, a fighter with a very accurate jab who also had no fear - at all - of the man in the opposite corner could time him. Sonny could time him, Sonny has those things.

    His jab was quite slow. But i've always felt a fast jab was an over-rated commodity generally. From a technically classical stance - which Liston employed - it's a punch that does not take long to get across. I think that an accurate, hard jab, is a better punch than a fast jab which is accurate.

    So I see Liston timing Tyson on the way in with the jab and missing with his bigger punches in the first few rounds, but closing the distance with a clatter at the back of that punch. Tyson's best work smothered whilst Liston builds a lead.

    A word about punch resistance - I think they have similair resistance to punishment, although Liston was basically impossible to hurt to the body. But I don't think Tyson has that "tide-turning" type of chin. I think that he takes punishment, but the hurt causes his head to drop. We saw it against Hollyfield and Lewis, and to a lesser degree against Douglas. Liston was capable of turning the tide after being hurt, and we saw this agianst Williams, who "hit him so hard all over [my] body" that Sonny became convinced he "didn't have a weak spot", and he went on to KO Williams in 3.

    If Tyson slows he will be stopped. If Tyson manages to keep the pace high, he'll lose a wide decision.

    Bad match up for Mike.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great analysis. I'm going to steal it by agreeing with you.