Is corner advice useless?

I think corner advice is very useful and is extrememly important when their fighter is losing. Advice like "You can do it", "don't give up", "go to the body" is generally useless garbage. A cornerman needs to read the situation and offer tactical advice to get his fighter over the line - especially if (as ranser states) the opponent is clearly better than you. With the right tactics, anybody can be beaten in my opinion (look at Hatton v Tszyu).

A cornerman needs to analyze the opponent - " he drops his left when he throws the right" or "his jab is sluggish, go the straight right as soon as you see the jab coming..." etc....I think Teddy Atlas is fantastic in that regards and u can see this in his commentary on FNF.

A required tactic might be motivational in nature but you got to use the right tactic at the right time...

 

yeah m8, totally agree---nice choice in vid.

corner advice is only **** when you got McGirt in your corner. Hit 'em in the chest lol.atsch

 

I think you will find Chopper that McGirt was talking about throwing a shot to the chin that is angles down at the chest and is an old-timers method for throwing a KO punch, NOT actually asking him just to punch him in the chest!

 

There's one Oz trainer we don't see much of, but when his boy comes back to the corner he says nothing for a few moments. He wipes him down & then says something like "How are you feeling"
He waits for the answer.
"Deep breathes,,,how are you feeling"
"I'm good. I'm OK"
Trainer nods & continues to prep him.
About the last 20-30 seconds he'll say something like "Keep that left hand up. Slip the jab & rip, But,,get,,that,,left,,hand,,BACK UP."
Seconds out!!
"Onya feet,,,deep breaths" as he leaves the ring, tells the boy to shape up, then he'll touch up the elbow & shake his finger "Keep it up"

It just made so much sense. Get his attention. Get him breathing & relaxed. Tell him something that is clear, precise, & logical, & send him out with the instruction the last thing he remembers before resuming the fight.

The late great Mick Canavan was just pretty to watch in a corner.
"He's hitting me low Mick,,he's hitting me low"
"Hey,,stop whinging. Sit down. What are you doing here?"
"I'm fighting"
That's right, it's a fight, not a whinge. Don't get distracted"

Vintage Mick.

 

Fellas I think it all comes down to the relationship between fighter and trainer. You sometimes see some trainers giving advice and the fighter not even listening to them. As a trainer you have to know what your fighters capabilities are and try and get the best out of your fighter. Personally I dont believe in yelling and jumping up and down at your fighter however with some fighters it does work. Trainers try and over read a fight which can confuse a fighter. Remembering you only have 1 minute between rounds so you have to be precise with your advice. Generally I would only give the fighter 2 bits of advice. 1 being something positive, like "you are having success with the double jab" and also I would point out 1 thing that the fighter could be doing better such as " you are crowding too much or you need to up the tempo". JMO fellas. Cheers

 

If you ever listen to Noel Thornberry in between rounds, you will appreciate just how good he is

 

You mentioned the most inspirational name. Mick had the genius to condence the works of 50 trainers into a single sentence, nod of the head or steely glare from the intelligent eyes. Fkn rare gem.

 

I am an ol' timer m8. I know what McGirt is on about n I know what he was sayin. I'm lookin more at his track record and he's been on the losing side so many times that ya got to question his method. Ya know the saying, the best fighters dont always make the best trainers.

 

Teddy is a very good technician. He knows his stuff and reads a fight well.

His timing in transferring that to the viewer can be very annoying. I don't need a lesson in footwork during Gatti v Ward.

 

The first trainer you are talking about sounds like Glen Azar he trains mick shaw and a few others always good to liten to in the corner

 

No mate, although I agree about Glenn. He wouldn't panic if he got cornered by a firestorm.
I was talking about ex middy champ Vito Gaudiosi.

 

Joe Goossen, trainer of Nunn, Casamayor, Corrales and the Ruelas brothers; always impressed me with his corner work.

Never seemed to panic. Always just about the right number of carefully chosen words, and at the same time still inspiring to his fighter.

 

Joe's choice of shirts impressed me more