Clottey and Abraham double standards

Abraham does that in every fight to conserve his energy while his opponent is still too fresh to chase him. He studies his opponent, picks his timing, starts to test things, to not lose too much energy to put the foot on the gas for 8 rounds. Basically he learned he is an 8 rounds fighter, and it's pretty astonishing that he has the patience to give away 4 rounds and just warm up, and then does good 8 rounds to win the fight.

 

Um Jermaine Taylor, whether you like him or not was more capable than Margo or Cotto P4P, Furthermore I really don't see fighters like Margo or Cotto finishing a fight AA. Pac is whole different beast he is an ATG, that being said Clottey had a size and strength advantage but still didn't lets his hands go.

 

Quite funny to see a Pavlik fan arguing that a win over Judah is better than a win over Taylor considering at one time they argued that Pavlik must be considered top 6 P4P because 'OMG he beat Taylor who beat Hopkins!!'...

 

There's a case for that when we're talking about a prime Taylor. The Taylor that fought Abraham was about as prime as Carmen Basilio is right now.

Margarito has a titanium jaw, and the way he gets on top of an opponent, smothers them and negates their punching room would spell disaster for somebody like AA. He also has a habit of going into his shell and not coming out under serious pressure, which is how Lajuan Simon took him the distance. Abraham has the kind of power that could end anybody with one punch, so he's not witohut a chance, but I'd favour someone with Margarito's style quite heavily to take a wide decision.

Irrelevant when we're talking about styles. Again, Abraham has had a size and strength advantage over - as well as much more class than - countless challengers and has shown little or no desire to open up.

 

There's a convincing case for him beating a Cotto equivalent, though I wouldn't bet my house on it the way Cotto does his fundamentals well and applies careful, methodical, educated pressure. Somebody Margo-esque would be a very nasty opponent for AA, for the reasons I explained above: taking away punching room, applying the kind of pressure that generally dimishes AA's work rate and the ability to take a punch when he needs to. I'd make a Margarito at least a 70/30 favourite over an Abraham.

I have absolutely nothing against Abraham; if anything, I quite like the guy. I just want people to stop applying double standards and see him for what he really is. The amount of fickle bull**** that runs through this forum is truly astonishing.

 

This.

AA is more active, KTFO his opponents, if he needs to press the action he does, is willing to take risks, and isn't a coward. Matter of fact his actions in Miranda I is one of the biggest displays of heart in recent memory.

 

When did I ever say that?

I certainly never argued for that...

... and even if I had, it would have been based on the fact that the Taylor that fought Pavlik was a ****-hot P4P commodity, even if he was over-rated. The Taylor that fought Abraham was in roughly as good a state as Jenna Jameson's *******.

 

Margo's titanium jaw got shattered, By SSM and he was also buckled by Santos, A fighter like AA with his power would land enough flush shots to put him to bed. Clottey is very inactive for a WW, Pac thew more than 4 times as many shots as him. The fact that Clottey hasn't had a KO in about 6 yrs tells you just how low his workrate is.

 

Clottey threw 622 punches vs. Cotto; that's an average of about 52 per round. If anyone can find me a better number from Abraham in any fight, let alone against someone of Cotto's class, I'll be surprised.

I'm just dealing in facts, here.

 

I think you are missing the point here. AA knocks people out. He does not rely on the judges like Clottey does. And he does not have to scream robbery either. Your comparisons are laughable at best.

Clottey disgraced himself, the sport, and his people last night. It was a farce.

 

Mosley is not as powerful as Abraham, but there's not a huge amount in it, and it took 9 rounds of him hitting Margo with "everything but the ring stool and the referee" to put him away. And even then it was more of a mercy stoppage than anything; for, whilst he was undeniably hurt, Margo looked perfectly conscious and probably could have beaten the count! If that's not a testament to his chin, then I don't know what is.

Anyway, I'm being generous to you since you have a Joe Louis avatar and I'm not ruling out the possiblity of a stoppage despite my previous remarks. What I want to know is how Abraham is going to land consistently enough to stop Margarito coming in of him, negating his power with inside work, and how he's going to deal with his work-rate. His traditional response is to go even more on the defensive and shell up. That ain't going to help.

It's higher than AA's, still.

Again, it sounds like you've watched a few Arthur Abraham KO videos and not much else. For 90% of the time, the guy sits on his arse.

 

Abraham can actually counter punch.

 

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Indeed, hence my comment:

"Abaham = Clottey with power."

But, it must be noted that his KO wins have come against much worse opposition than Clottey. It's easy to look good against a paralysed opponent.

Also consider the fact that, despite having more raw power than e.g. Kessler, Froch and Pavlik, Abraham's KO record is only slightly better than Kessler's, slightly worse that Froch's and much worse than Pavlik's, despite them all having fought much better opposition. The punch is evidently over-rated.

 

Froch has fought 'much better opposition' than Abraham.

Be interested to hear the argument for that one.

Kessler and Pavlik may have, but they haven't beaten 'much better' opposition.