Kessler's power severely overated!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by yesihavearm, Oct 24, 2007.


  1. JJ

    JJ Active Member Full Member

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    Kessler

    Jab
    Power
    Youth


    Calzaghe

    Adaptability
    Speed
    Agility
    Stamina
    Experience
    Intelligence
    Ring generalship
    Footwork and movement
    Been in more big fights


    Wow this is not looking for Kessler good!

    How did you measure stamina?
    Why is youth a quality, if being young dosent provide anything?
    What about chin?

    What qualities did Calzaghe use when he made it a mess/war against Bika? Intelligence? Experience? or Ring generalship?
     
  2. luke1983

    luke1983 New Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe didnt spar one round for that fight, il take to you in around ten days time and we will see who has the ring generalship.
     
  3. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that Kessler is a decent fighter but nothing more. I have seen a fair few of his fights and although the opponents weren't much cop, he did well as expected. It seems that there is a tsunami of hype that has build up behind him and he's on the crest of it. As I said, he's a fine fighter but he's certainly nothing special.
     
  4. JJ

    JJ Active Member Full Member

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    Why didnt he use any of his many attributes then? if you are that experienced you shouldnt lose that much because of sparring, if you are that intelligent and experienced you respect all your opponents!
     
  5. yesihavearm

    yesihavearm Active Member Full Member

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    I measured stamina from Calzaghe's ability to throw a high amount of punches for the full 12 rounds. Stamina is one of Joe Calzaghe's BEST attributes as he's shown he has a high workrate for the full 12 rounds in numerous fights. Kessler doesnt have the workrate that Calzaghe has, and tires down the straight a la Mundine and Andrade.

    Youth is a quality because Kessler is probably going to be fresher than Calzaghe, and has been in less wars so doesnt have the wear and tear.

    Chins an awkward one. Calzaghe has a grade A chin, he's been hit with very hard punchers all his career. He's been down twice, once to Byron Mitchell whos a BIG puncher and once to Kabary Salem. We havent seen Kessler hit with big punchers so we dont know if he has a chin or not, thats why i didnt put it as an advantage for either guy.

    Nice of you to bring up the Bika fight, ONE FIGHT, and probably the only fight you've even seen of JC.

    If you read JC's book, it says that he didnt spar a single round in preperation for Bika, and he was throwing up 10mins before the fight started from dodgy hotel food.

    Bika was an awkward, dirty fighter who cut Calzaghe for the first time in his career with a headbutt.

    Give Calzaghe credit, because he won nearly every round even though it was a scrappy, crap to watch fight. I'd give Kessler a lot more credit than I do if i'd seen him in wars like that and come out on top. It would tell me a lot more about him than I already know, as it stands we dont know if he's ready for a war, something that Joe's done countless times.
     
  6. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Fine - thank you.

    Kessler has lost a maximum of 10 rounds or so in his entire carer. He has been absolutely dominating each and every fight because of his ring generalship. So my answer is simple. In all of his fights.

    I think you may be confused about #1 and #2, but fine I can adapt.

    Kessler IS more boxing intelligent than Joe. I mean - one of Joes biggest assets is his frenzy - but it is also his potential downfall - especially against a guy like Kessler who is known to be very smart and calm.


    Chris Eubank had ten days too prepare for Joe Calzaghe. Nuff said, really.
    Big difference - yes.

    Im not lying - And Kessler would be a tough opponent for Eubank. You are underrating MK and overrating Eubank.
     
  7. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    This is some interesting and funny ****. You would give Kessler more credit if he had fought a couple af lousy fights where he would bring himself out of balance and engage in unnecessary war?

    Calzaghes comeback against Mitchell was impressive - the Bika fight was not.
     
  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    I'm VERY interested to see what you guys come up with - particularly the criteria you use, the variables you evaluate, etc. Being a scientist myself (social, not physical), I am extremely interested in how you attempt to measure punch resistance scientifically. Frankly, I'm not entirely sure it can be measured with any true precision, but am interested in your efforts.
     
  9. Maden

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    I don´t agree with your logic... It is like saying calzaghe has a weak chin because he got floored by Mitchell... And all the other fighters Mitchell has faced who he didn´t floor has better chins than Calzaghe... Utter BS!

    Fact is: Mundine ran away in most of the fight with kessler...And it is not an easy task to put down a guy, who uses most of his efforts to defend himself instead of fighting back.

    Andrade has an Iron Chin, and anybody saying otherwise must be blind!
     
  10. JJ

    JJ Active Member Full Member

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    It is not a quality to make it a war, it is a sign of weakness. Why in hell would you give Kessler props for making it a war against a Bika type fighter, give him credit for making fights a shutout!
     
  11. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you Kessler worshippers are seriously underestimating JC. Get real, it's gonna be one hell of an acomplishment for MK if he wins. make no bones about it, yet some of you guys act like it is written.
     
  13. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    I dont. Its gonna be a close fight. 50/50 and very hard to predict.

    JC is the second best fighter ever at 168 (#1 RJJ) - but I think he looses this one.
     
  14. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair comment.
     
  15. PH|LLA

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    Are you implying that Yusef Mack hits harder than Kessler?

    Kessler is very strong, and has a ton of power especially in his jab. He may not be a KO artist but he is a powerful puncher who can esily command respect with his punches.