Jermain's latest "Bad Decision" - an immediate Pavlik rematch - could ruin his career

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  1. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tell you what at 165 Kelly will hand JT an even worse KO, This time the KO will even more brutal. JT will be slower and the ghost will be much stronger dumb ass decision to fight the bigger man at his advantage and play to his strength 165 LBS is not where JTwants to be at, its 160 have Kelly be starved and dried out and hope to speed him and slap and run all night long and win a **** decision otherwise at 165 he is going to get KTFO
     
  2. drvooh

    drvooh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gotta go along with the author if you agree with him, becasue I've learned not to doubt your anallysis':D
     
  3. Florida boy

    Florida boy Bodacious Full Member

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    Pavlik didnt drop his hands, he got hit hard, stuck his tongue out, and got hit again, and was hurt, then JT knocked him down with barrage, Pavlik gets up, and is on ***** street the rest of the round. Nate Campbell and Robbie Peden, that was a guy dropping his hands. That was a competetive fight and like i said before in other threads, in my own opinion, opinion, Taylor has more room to improve the next fight then Pavlik, who is what he is, a plodding, power punching pressure fighter. Anyways, i guess we'll see since the fight looks like its gonna happen.
     
  4. drvooh

    drvooh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PAvlik got caught with a flurry...If Spinks was hit flush that many times, I do believe he'd be out
     
  5. Bubba

    Bubba Dana is the greatest combat sports promoter -Max K Full Member

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    Taylor wasn't outboxing Pavlik, the judges were on their way to giving Taylor another gift decision.

    The fight was pretty even on my scorecard even with the second round knockdown.
     
  6. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Yeah it might ruin his career . . . but the fact that the guy still wants it . . . only shows Taylor ought to be praised.

    Isn't that what you ****i'n haters like? :think

    Now shut the **** up . . . and give the guy some respect.

    The truth is . . . you people are not fan of the sports but merely NUTHUGGERS or HATERS. Bunch of chicken shits! :yep
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I totally agree that it is foolish for JT to want an immediate rematch. Boxing is a business, and from that stand point he would be much better offer to move up, fight a couple 2nd tier guys, and then go after the big guns. Make Pavlik come in as the challenger again in the rematch, and give JT time to rebuild his confidence, and correct his flaws.

    I've watched the fight 6 times, and I have noticed that the compu-box numbers were very skewded. And, everyone knows the judge's scores were just ridiculous. Taylor got a shitload of credit for puches that just bounced off Pavlik's gloves and forearms. I now have the fight 4 rounds to 2 Pavlik. Initially I had JT 1 point ahead.

    That being said, I agree that Kelly won't make the mistake of dropping his hands and sticking his freaking chin out a second time. Even with that stupid mistake, and as close to out as Pavlik was, he still came back and handed Taylor an ass whoopin' in the next round. That says he has a remarkable chin and serious recuperative powers. Not to mention, he now knows he can go right after Taylor with guns blazin' and not get knocked out, and that is VERY BAD NEWS for JT.

    I really see only one possible scenario for a rematch at 166: JT gets ktfo in round 5 or 6 after a one-sided beat down.

    However: Respect and props to JT! Pavlik has fought some tough mother****ers, and I'm almost positive that Taylor is THE ONLY ONE who ever asked for a rematch!!!

    Boo
     
  8. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure Pavlik will win but Taylor still has a chance. To say that he will never ever beat Pavlik is a little over the top.
     
  9. carras

    carras Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think pavlik wins again, but taylor DOES have a good chance.
     
  10. tays001

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  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I totally agree with your post.

    I still think a rematch could go longer than the first fight, however, if Taylor is smart enough to try to get and stay on his bicycle. I still see him getting stopped, but he might make it to the 10th or 11th instead of to just the 7th.

    If Taylor believes -- quite incorrectly, IMO -- that his best strategy is to try to get in and mix it up with Pavlik in hopes of recreating the 2nd round, then this fight is going to be over early, something along the lines of a Chavez-Taylor II.

    And that's what concerns me about it, the immediate rematch, for Taylor's career. Someone earlier mentioned how SSM came back from the Forrest and Wright fights. That is a great point. However, he didn't get mercilessly KO'd in any of those fights like Taylor already has once and, I feel, he will be again when he next meets Pavlik.

    As the author of the post I'm quoting said, the extra weight is almost sure to help Pavlik and hurt Taylor.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, I give Taylor ALL the respect in the world for taking the immediate rematch, but from a career/psychological standpoint, I am very concerned that we might well see the next "Lacy" if and when this immediate rematch comes off.

    Taking your first loss, especially via a huge knockout, is hard enough. Asking to immediately be thrown back into the meat-grinder and be KO'd again is the type of thing which can break many guys.

    Like I said, it reminds me of what happened in UFC 77. Franklin somehow thought 'this time it will be different' against Anderson Silva. It wasn't -- he got destroyed all over again.

    If this immediate rematch comes off, look for the same thing to happen to Taylor.

    I don't know who's making this decision; maybe HBO and/or Dibella know they've ridden the "Jermain Train" about as far as they can and they want to cash-out with a big rematch while the iron is hot, so to speak.

    Or maybe Taylor is demanding this himself. I don't know. If Taylor is making this decision, it is courageous. If HBO/DiBella is making this decision it strikes me as callous.

    Whoever decided to do this, on Taylor's side, is making a huge mistake. This match is not in the best interests of the fighter's career, IMO. Neither for Taylor's longevity or for his marketability.

    Look, as a fan I'm THRILLED this fight will take place. Just as a human being I feel bad that Taylor is deciding (or someone is deciding for him) to do this.

    Who knows? Maybe Taylor will come back in the rematch and crush Pavlik and make me look like a fool.

    But I wouldn't hold your breath for that one.

    Pavlik is an assassain. He's the kind of fighter you hope you never come up against. He is Russell Crowe's version of James Braddock in "Cinderella Man" when the one fighter hits Braddock with his best punch and James just smiles at him and the other guy realizes he's in for a long fight. That's what Pavlik did to Taylor after he survived the second round. Manny Steward said as much. Putting a guy back in, immediately, with someone who just KO'd him for the first time in his career is a very, very questionable move. Expect the same result, and wish the best for Taylor.
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    Jetski -- Thanks, my friend. Many of my posts came with my using an avatar of myself from the waist up in glasses with a red background. I recently switched the avatar after the Pavlik fight, and shortly before that a mod had made the avatar something about "being an *******," or something. That might be why you don't recognize me. Take care! :good:thumbsup:good
     
  12. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    what a post!taylor wants to get back in there and try to correct a loss and win back the title and you diss him.if he showed no inclination to get back in with pavlik you'd say he was ducking.huggers never cease to amaze.:huh
     
  13. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had it 3-3 in rounds and most people and the judges had Taylor up even 5-1 but I thought Pavlik controlled the fight, he was the agressor and was getting stronger by each round wereas Jermain was getting weaker. Jermain certainly has the skills to outbox Pavlik but I just dont think he can keep taking PAvlik shots for 12 rounds and continue outboxing him.
     
  14. BoxingGuru

    BoxingGuru Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This thread goes on my top 5 worst EBS threads ever and the person who started it one of the worst top 3 posters here ever.

    You almost knock your opponent out cold and you get ****ing morons like the starter of this thread posting crap like a rematch is bad for your career.

    Laughable.
     
  15. Nokstar

    Nokstar 5'9", 175lbs, man-machine Full Member

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    why do people act like this was a blowout or something? Do you cats not remember pavlik almost lost in the 2nd round? Do u not realize Taylor was ahead on points before getting caught? Shut that shyt up...seriously.