Jermain's latest "Bad Decision" - an immediate Pavlik rematch - could ruin his career

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great.

    Just make sure you're here when Taylor gets knocked out again.

    When that happens, I'll be the guy with the smile on my face that says "I told you so."

    That you like Taylor is not my concern. Fight analysis and prediction is.

    Taylor's best chance to beat Pavlik has passed him by. Next fight means a higher weight, no Pavlik dropping his hands to clown Taylor, and Taylor with the knowledge and fear that Pavlik can knock him TFO.

    It's pretty simple -- at least it is for me. But maybe once you've watched, participated and covered the sweet science for nearly 30 years as I have, you'll look at it more with your head than your heart, as now seems to be the case.

    Maybe.

    Somehow, though, I doubt it.

    Pavlik by KO or TKO. That's the pick if and when this immediate rematch takes place. And if you're feeling brave during the week when the fight goes down, we can do a sig bet.

    I always put my money where my mouth is. Hope the same can be said for you, my friend.
     
  2. BoxingGuru

    BoxingGuru Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What is your IQ like 90? Did I even MAKE a prediction about the fight? NO. I said YOU are a dumb ass for saying there's no way Taylor can win when he almost knocked Pavlik out in the first fight. Think about it. You're being really really dumb.
     
  3. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxing Guru -- Ok, it's time for me to move on from trying to discuss this with you. You either are willfully ignorant or lack reading comprehension skills, or both. Pavlik never goes down in the 2nd unless he drops his hands and gets caught with 3 shots after that. As I said, there is no chance he does that in a rematch. No hands down, no knockdown, no nothing. And even with his being hurt, Taylor still couldn't finish him. Both men are very aware of this.

    To repeat: Taylor has zero -
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    given their two styles, their physical characteristics (Taylor just cannot seem to develop his cardio in such a manner so that he does not 'fade' in his fights), their having already fought (Pavlik now knows Taylor can't drop him unless KP gets caught 'clowning' again), and due to their weights being higher (Pavlik gets to be at a more natural weight for him while Taylor has to move away from his natural fighting weight, middleweight).

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    , outside of Kelly suffering a fluke injury (like tearing a knee ligament), can I see Jermain Taylor defeating Pavlik. That this is an immediate rematch after Taylor suffered a brutal knockout and the first loss of his career only makes my feeling that this is a "mortal lock" that much stronger.

    If you wager, and this fight is available at a sportsbook you have access to, do not hesitate: bet your mortgage, your friend's mortgage, and your friend's friend's mortgage on Kelly Pavlik.

    As others have said, I believe this fight will be even easier for Pavlik than was the first one. I would be very surprised if Pavlik were knocked down, and I would be very surprised if Taylor were not knocked out. Taylor may be able to score a flash knockdown of Kelly if Pavlik gets careless, but other than that, I don't think Jermain will have much if any opportunity to hurt the champ.

    The fight could go longer than 7, but it should be fairly smooth sailing for Pavlik as he methodically stalks and destroys JT once again. The scorecards shouldn't matter, just as they didn't when Pavlik won the titles.

    Here were my takes after Pavlik TKO'd JT in the 7th:

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    Expect more of the same when the two fighters meet again, particularly if they meet in an immediate rematch.
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    botha -- I could not agree with you more. Taylor is an overhyped pretender who was finally exposed for what he is by a legitimate, young middleweight. The bloom is off the rose, and it's not coming back.

    I like JT, but until and unless he gets the desire to improve his skills and the willingness to listen to a trainer's instruction, I think the best days for Taylor are behind him.
     
  4. istmeno

    istmeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    taylor did not "get caught" john tate got caught by mike weaver. getting caught implies that an unexpected punch landed. pavlik was nailing taylor with that right hand all night long.
     
  5. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Definitely.

    I watched the post-fight press conference (the link to the first part of it is in a post of mine from this page), and both Pavlik and his trainer said, basically, that Kelly 'couldn't miss' Taylor with whatever he threw.

    This is one of the many flaws in Taylor's game -- he is incredibly easy to hit. You might get away with that against Cory Spinks, but against a bigger man who is accurate like Pavlik, that lack of defense is fatal.
     
  6. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    i'm no particular fan of either but the way some of the pavlik huggers are talking you would have thought the fight was a one sided blowout.maybe i was missing something but it seemed a pretty even match to me,with admitedlly pavlik probably getting stronger.i'd only seen pavlik against miranda before the taylor fight but i like the kid,big,strong and determined and obviously the kind of fighter you have to nail to the floor if you get him hurt because he's going to just keep coming back at you.taylor i thought got a bad deal from people after his 2 wins against hopkins but since then he had stunk the place out.however against pavlik i thought it was the best he'd looked since winning the title.at least he was positive and aggresive and looked like a genuine fighting man in there.if he can improve his stamina issues then i think the return is virtually 50/50.it is strange however that even though taylor is showing a great desire to get back in there to win his title back he's being dissed by some as a fool for trying.if he showed no inclination to do so he would be getting crucified as a ducker.sometimes you just can't win.
     
  7. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    i seriously doubt it would ruin his carreer, even if his does manage to lose again... it wont be an easy loss, and he can still beat the other 99% of the middleweights out there, and majority of the super mid's
     
  8. istmeno

    istmeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i disagree. this is exactly the type of fight that can ruin a young fighter. yes it was a very competitive fight. not a blowout by any means. but although taylor was winning the fight, he was also the one taking the most damage. i compare it to some extent to chavez v meldrick one fighter looking better, but the other just doing much more damage. imo they could fight 10 times, and pavlik would win 9. that is just the way i see the matchup. taylors style is tailor made for pavlik.

    every fighter has his poison. and pavlik is simply taylors poison.
     
  9. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Paul great piece of analysis as always... I think if Taylor doesnt get Ko'ed hell just try to survive and at the end of the night FINALLY come up short on the cards, but youre right on the money when you say that: Taylor will never beat Pavlik as a professional, at any weight, i think especially so at 166, the added weight just favors Pavlik so i dont see how thats gonna effect anything.
    Also, im glad you pointed out that Pavlik was hotdoggin in the second and he dropped his hands ala Winky-Mosley II (No Taylor fans ever wanna admit that)
    Anyways keep up the good work!:thumbsup
     
  10. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    i dont dissagree that pavlik can beat taylor.. but he can still beat sturm in my opinion, he can still beat abraham, feel me?

    so lets say who loses to pavlik again... if after his fight, he has some convincing wins over some fighters like duddy, or wright (although i dont wanna see that again).. then he gets a title shot with abraham, takes his title.. moves on too sturm, takes his title.. then his career would be relevant again, and i'd say his chances of beatin pavlik is 1 outta 3.. so goin by that, lucc might be on his side this time..

    well all that's wishful thinkin, although i'm not a big taylor fan.. i just dont think you can count out a fighter like him, feel me?
     
  11. Florida boy

    Florida boy Bodacious Full Member

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    I dont think he was hotdogging, fighters like to stick out there tongue or smile when they get hit hard to make it seem like they didnt get hurt, but taylor hurt kelly, kelly stuck his tongue out, then taylor caught him again and put him down with the follow up. kelly himself said taylor hits like a mule, he respects the power, it wasnt a lucky shot. i agree with everyone that says the rematch is 50/50, because i think theres more room to improve in the next fight for jermain.
     
  12. Skital

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    Not saying he hits harder than Pavlik, but it was pretty obvious Taylor was going to land bigger and harder clean shots on Pavlik's chin than on Cory's due to styles. Maybe that has something to do with why he couldn't KO Cory, Cory is harder to hit with shots like that.
     
  13. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah but thats not saying much really, dem guys are regional fighters content with fighting scrubs and not actually wanting to fight an elite fighter.
     
  14. perfume

    perfume Member Full Member

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    So basically by everyone gathering...Pavlik can beat EVERYBODY he get in the ring with...

    Let run down the people Pavlik can beat from 160-175:

    Hopkins
    Taylor
    Abraham
    Sturm
    Calzaghe
    Kessler
    Bute
    Lee
    Lorenzo
    Griffin
    Lacy
    Dawson
    Green
    Wright
    Trindad
    Jones
    Tarver
    Adiancu
    Froch


    Yes he can beat them all because all his fans say so, plus he the best boxer in the world as well as the hardest puncher in boxing.

    Why should Pavlik even continue to box since no one on that list stands a chance against hjim, I mean according to the judges, he completely slaughter Taylor and kept Taylor from winning any rounds in their fight.


    Pavlik is GOD!!!
     
  15. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    Finally you are starting to see the truth.