Why is BHOP so highly rated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by sarah ross, Jun 29, 2007.


  1. sarah ross

    sarah ross New Member Full Member

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    He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned. BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win. I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch. Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them. I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class. I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.​
     
  2. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can sit here and pick apart any fighters resume like you have. Ray Leonard beat above his best weight class Roberto Duran,a weight drained Thomas Hearns,a obviously past his prime slower Marvin Hagler.
     
  3. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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  4. Dantes

    Dantes ESB Magnate Full Member

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    He became more cagey as he got older and became champ, you can't expect to blow out the elite level guys who you're defending against, like you did in your first 15-20 fights.. it's just not realistic. he did what's needed, he tightened up his defence, became an exceptional counter puncher and gives his opponents nothing to work with.
    B-Hop's a champ regardless of weather you appreciate his style or not.​
     
  5. Nawfal

    Nawfal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i cant see any way any how the guy doesnt get his tue

    he is the master boxer, technician, ring general, dirty fighter

    the guy is THE complete fighter
     
  6. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    We were blessed to be able to see Hopkins Jones and Toney.

    I only wish there were more bouts between them.
     
  7. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Bhops is a technical fighter , , , he doesn't knockout opponents if he doesn't have to. All he wants is to ensure victory. Reason why up to now at his present age of past 40 he is still very competitive. Longetivity baby! Longetivity!

    As to his accomplishments, sorry if you're not impressed but there are a lot who were and you are outnumbered. So cry your hearts out. :yep
     
  8. sarah ross

    sarah ross New Member Full Member

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    Jimmie, you mentioned Hearns, Duran and Hagler they are a little better than De La Hoya, Tarver and Tito Trinidad. I could sit here and list Eastman, Allen, Hakkar, Daniels, Holmes, Echols, Lipsey, Frank and all the other BUMS BHOP fought. Why is this guy regarded as a legend when he beat one great fighter his whole career? He lost two fights to Jermain Taylor, hell I think Hagler, Hearns and Duran could beat Taylor right now.
     
  9. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I and a few others have argued that he is somewhat overrated in terms of his supposedly amazing resume

    its actually just a notch or two above JCs

    who gets alot of **** for this competition
     
  10. Cookie

    Cookie Active Member Full Member

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    Hopkins recent fights have been quite boring. But you have to appreciate his skill level and the ability to completely change his style in order to stay at the very top of the game. Back in the day he was an all action guy, mixing skilled boxing with straight up brawling. Now he's a very calculated and patient boxer. His longevity is almost unprecedented.

    One of the true, certified badass, modern greats.
     
  11. buzzsaw

    buzzsaw Member Full Member

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    Yes he may only throw 40 punches a round...but he makes those 40 count. He is a technician and a master at his craft.
     
  12. .trunzx

    .trunzx The Hawk Full Member

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    Hopkins is an ATG. A younger more active Hopkins KOs Taylor.

    It's ridiculous to say Hopkins isn't one of the best of his generation, if not of all time. He beat DLH and Tito by KO, and that alone is worthy of being a HOF'er, not to mention his record title defenses and move up to LHW to humiliate the champ.

    In closing,


     
  13. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Hopkins deservedly gets ATG credit for:

    1) winning the title at a glamour division and defending it for a decade

    2) dominating many opponents, even if he didn't lay them flat

    3) an eye-catching win over Glen Johnson

    4) a dramatic and shockingly one-sided victory over Felix Trinidad

    5) a methodical ass-kicking and stoppage of ODLH

    6) another out-class of the unofficial LHW king, Antonio Tarver, without taking a tuneup

    and, mostly

    7) his ability to evolve from a highly aggressive, action fighter into a calculating, technical wizard

    Hopkins' career is nearly unprecedented. He didn't just hang on to physical ability for an unusually long time -- that's been done by dozens. No, he reinvented himself as his speed and agility began to fade, and he still has remained on top of his game. He's not the fighter he was, but he still could not be dominated by anyone from 175 on down.

    Hopkins is a treasure, and we are lucky our generation gets to claim him.
     
  14. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Since you said so much bs over this post, I will break it apart and answer you that way. This way you may learn something.




    Prime Tito, ODLH, Glen Johnson, Lipsey, Tarver (I will get more into this in a second), Holmes, Vanderpool, Joppy, Taylor twice (most feel he won AT THE VERY LEAST one of those fights...some feel both), Eastman, etc.​

    Oh yeah, VERY VERY SUBPAR...:-( ​


    The DLH fight, whatever. Hop didnt just beat him, he OUTBOXED HIM. That is what made that win great.​

    The Tarver win? Overrated? Hop jumped 2 weight classes and took out the champion at that weight in 1 FIGHT (shut the champ out actually)!!!! You know how many people have done that?​

    1- Roy Jones Jr.
    2- Bernard Hopkins​

    That is the list (other fighters have fought their way up, but NOONE jumped two weights to win a belt in one fight other than the two names above.)! And unlike Roy's, Hop took on what was considered the top belt holder at that weight. And not to mention that he did it after the age of 40......​

    That win was incredible.​


    Im going to call bull**** here. If you have seen all of Hop's fights, you would know that he was a swarming KO artist for the majority of it. Its only when he got on in age that he became more defensive minded.​

    I am guessing that you either saw his Tito fight on, or you started watching him AFTER he beat Tito.​


    Again, I think you heard this said before and ran with it (kinda like the people that call a prime Pernell Whitaker boring). Hop was still a monster while he was fighting (shutting out actually) a PRIME Glen Johnson. Far past his 20th fight with bums (his 34th actually).​

    :patsch ​


    Sorry but if someone walks into the weigh in at 160 and the fight is at 160, that is the same class. But never mind that.​

    And again, only recently, as he aged did he slow his output (did you see his output vs Joppy...or ****ING TARVER for god sake???)...the man is a great boxer, not a freakin SUPERHERO! At 40+ you want him to go in there and fight like Corrales - Castillo for 12 rounds? The knock that he doesnt throw enough is ridiculous...he is a like a great power pitcher in baseball, who used to mow people down with his fastball, until he aged, where he worked on his control and maybe picked up a few more pitches in order to stay dominant. In other words he reinvented himself....which should be praised....but whatever.​



    Again, he is 40+. He is the best defensive fighter (arguably) since Whitaker. He has a record number of consecutive defenses of the MW title. He has won titles in 2 weight classes. Hopkins is the best MW of this generation (not arguably) and one of the 5 best MWs ever (slightly arguably).

    I hope you learned something!!!

    :good
     
  15. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    If you have to ask why is he rated so high I have to ask how long hav you watched boxing?