James Toney vs. Mike Tyson, who wins?

Tyson within 5 rounds.

 

Toney UD. Tyson was a busted flush by then, as soon as he realized he couldn't just club Toney into submission he would run out of steam and ideas, and after eating clean counters for a few rounds, he'd mentally submit and allow himself to be outboxed for the duration. Toney's defence and chin would hold strong. They did against a prime Sam Peter, who was not all that far behind the second coming of Tyson in terms of power.

If 1987 Tyson fights any version of Toney, it's an early KO. But 1997 Tyson was outrageously inferior to prime Iron Mike. He was a shot fighter who was fed a steady diet of bums before he folded in the face of the first genuine challenge since his release from prison. Toney would beat him mentally then physically.

 

Toney was actually pretty good against Holyfield.

Yeah, I know Holyfield was 40 years old and hindered by an injury but it was still an impressive performance - better than Haye's recent victory over Ruiz, for example, that had everyone raving about him.

Having said that, Tyson was still a force in '96 and he looked in great shape in '97 when he bit Holyfield.
I think he'd be too much for Toney.

Having said that, Mathis Jr. gave Tyson problem for 2 or 3 rounds, and Toney could do what Mathis did but better, and he's about the same size. So, Toney might give Tyson problems for a few rounds, but in the end I expect Tyson would get through with something damaging.

 

Tyson after jail isnt a good bet vs anyone.... Tyson before jail tho (except for the Douglas fight) is a good bet vs anyone.

Toney wouldnt be allowed in the same arena vs this Tyson & Toney would make sure of that ****.

 

As a fat 40+ year old with no experience in martial arts, Toney is going to the UFC to fight big names in their heavyweight division. He regularly calls out the 6ft 7in 240lbs Klitschko brothers, and I see no reason to believe he wouldn't fight them if he had the chance, he's already been in with a prime Sam Peter and Hasim Rahman, who were both far bigger and more powerful than him.

There is no reason to say Toney would fear anyone or avoid anyone. It doesn't stack up, because it is a far more dangerous and intimidating prospect for a boxer to fight a top MMA fighter in an MMA bout than it is for a boxer to fight another boxer, even a fearsome and fantastic one like prime Mike.

1987 Tyson crushes Toney at heavyweight, there can be no doubt about that, but to say Toney would make sure he avoided him cannot be substantiated. The man is fearless to the point of insanity!

 

Peter was going to destroy Toney. I don't feel comfortable projecting a stoppage win over somebody that never came close to being halted in 83 fights past the age of 40, and was only dropped when caught off balance. Can Mike beat him over the distance? Because I think this one would last the scheduled limit.

Like Frazier, I don't think Tyson was particularly fond of dealing with shorter opponents, although he certainly had the uppercut necessary for dealing with most of them. Toney had the defense to steer clear of that weapon though, and I suspect he'd actually be more comfortable in this pairing.

 

Not enough faith is being put into Toney's defence and chin.

Toney started as a middleweight, but before that he was a 200lbs quarterback. Why is it though that we need numbers to reassure us? Some fighters, regardless of weight can compete with anyone, as Toney proved.

If Tyson cannon-balled Toney's head it surely could rock him, but can we then go the whole nine yards because it is Tyson and favour that against the evidence - so many years of never being down, even hurt?

To say that Toney would give the dynamic, yet often predictable and prone to frustration, post-prison Tyson a bit of a waltz is a claim Ted Spoon could make comfortably.

 

Absolutely ridiculous.

Tyson hadn't fallen quite as much as most proclaim. He was far from shot.

Jirov is much smaller and much less skilled and doesn't hit nearly as hard. Yes, Jirov had heart and a workrate. Sam Peters is a gross overweight HW that hits hard but as much slower than Mike and even has inferior stamina. He has no where near the combination punching, head-movement, or skills of a Tyson from even 97. Toney barely edged Peters too which is the sad thing. Tyson would bust through Toney and Toney punches would have zero effect. There's no way he out-boxes him the duration with his fat, lazy, and low work-rate. Toney doesn't have the work-rate or strength to keep Tyson off.

 

This is Tysons latest picture (2 days ago):

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If anything he's too thin.

 

Exactly...everyone knows Tyson had problems with big guys and ONLY bigger guys...everyone else he just blew away

 

Tyson by ko.

 

i think toney could make the distance....thats the most controverisal i could make it

 

1995-1997 Tyson is underated, from 1998 onwards a absolute shell, but from 95 to 97 Tyson was faded but still the best heavyweight in the world next Holyfield in my opinion, he just ran into a great fighter in Holyfield, I think Holyfield would even beats a peak Tyson.

Tyson by easy KO over Toney

 

This not only overrates Toney's ability at Heavweight it undermines quality of fighter that Mike Tyson was. And by extension it undermines Evander Holyfield's greatest accomplishment at Heavweight.

First off, Toney wouldn't be able to take Tyson's power.
Secondly, Toney doesn't have the workrate to keep Tyson occupied.

And you seem to call him shot when in fact he was still a good fighter in 1997. Losing to a fellow ATG doesn't make you shot.

I thought this thread was a joke initially but clearly there are some radical opinions.

 

i think tyson was shot in 97 he had slipped so far from his prime it was a joke he looked in great shape for the 2nd holyfield fight but so did bowe against golota in there 2nd fight and no one doubts bowe was shot by then why not tyson for starters tyson had a young mans style and had 4 years out the ring by then 3 of them in prison and as reckless as bowe lived it was nothing compared to tyson i think toney beats post prison tyson peak tyson blows him out in a couple of rounds :smooch