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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by booradley, Apr 21, 2010.

  1. JMP

    JMP Champion Full Member

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    Well said. Guys like Devon Alexander or Bradley with good skills, speed, and some movement aren't going to beat Pacquiao. Neither is a fast-handed Andre Berto with mediocre skills and crap durability.

    These other B level, decently skilled fighters aren't going to do the job. Let's not forget that none of these guys have faced anybody REMOTELY close to Pacquiao's level. Not even close. Pacquiao's faced hall of fame quality guys like Barrera and Marquez. And even though they might not have truly great speed, they had great ring awareness, toughness, timing, and skills. Pacquiao also beat a slick/skilled Ledwaba, a guy highly quite rated at that time, and demolished him on short notice. Clottey was good defensively and had quick hands, even though his workrate was low, and Pac beat him decisively...whereas B grade guys like Cotto and Margo were given hell - one arguably beaten and one arguably taken to a draw.

    If Pacquiao is prepared and beaten, it'll be by Floyd Mayweather - a great fighter or Shane Mosley - a great fighter. End of.

    But I do think he should fight guys like bradley, Berto, and Alexander over somebody like Margo or Cotto if he beats Foreman...zero question about that. I would be very critical of him if he took the Margarito fight.
     
  2. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Victor Conte is the drug person, the agent of the drug, the distributor, the pimp, the dealer, or whichever you call it, who coinceidentally, would not know the difference between a microscope and a telescope.

    Do you think he has more credibility than a scientist who actually performs those drug test. The scientist whom knows the volume, difficulty and nuances of the tests, accuracy, etc.

    Conte won't even know the latest technologies being applied to the science of dope detection. Dope making, he is probably the expert. Victor Conte does not have medical or science background. He is a musician for christsakes !!!!!!!! All of a sudden he becomes a PEDS authority?

    Ask the experts, not Conte. oR ask the doctors who provided Conte with his drugs.

    If you want to know how they detect Cocaine, do you ask the dealer? If you want to know how to cut cocaine, then ask the dealer.
     
  3. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Stop reading here.

     
  4. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    What exactly in Conte's resume tells you that he is a scientist or a laboratory person. He just owned or founded that Sports and nutrition center called Bay Area Laboratory area, who came to infamy not because they were discovering ways to tests drugs. It is easy to set up those kind of centers, as the drugs are even in the internet. Don't be fooled by the laboratory word in BALCO. It was not that kind of lab.

    Honestly, Conte is a musician.

    On the other hand, labs who cater to state of the art drug testing in the US are so few that the fingers in your one hand is more than the number of actual laboratory.
     
  5. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Essentially you are saying Conte knows nothing.

    Gotcha.

    :lol:
     
  6. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    There is a difference between what he knows and what a scientist knows.

    Conte knows how to give the drugs, how to avoid detection, and how to source the drugs.

    The scientist on the other hand knows how much blood, the chemical structure of the drug, its half life, biochemical metabolism, its chemical reaction, physiologic effect. Essnetially how to run the tests to detect the drug, in exact step and sequence, its false reaction (could be positive or negative), its sensitivity, accuracy.

    Do you think Conte knows this? Does he know how much blood is actually required? He is like Gore, the spokesman for Global warming. He knows more than we do but he can never know more than the scientist who actually do the research on global warming.

    Conte is the front or face of Balco. He probably knows as much as tygart.

    There is a big difference between those two communities.

    Once again, do not jump into conclusion. Conte defitely knows something, but as to what he knows is up for debate.

    My contention is that Conte, who is not even a scientist or a medical doctor, probably knows as much as required to avoid detection. If he is such a genius, Balco fell by stupidity.
     
  7. zoomie

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    Martinez > Pavlik :D
     
  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    The "b-fighter", Cotto, won vs Mosley, but Mosley, who lost to a "b-fighter", is supposed to be a "great fighter" that beats emmanuel?:huh
     
  9. Undisputed

    Undisputed Cant G no other way Full Member

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    Pac needs to Fight contenders at welter and not worry about trying to move up in weight yet again
     
  10. Palo

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    Just put a 160 limit on the fight. You have the big public weigh-in the day before to show off for the crowd and press and then have another a few hours before the fight. Manny at 148-149 and Sergio at 160 is a competitive fight.

    Sergio is not a hard puncher. He doesn't have a high KO ratio or one punch KO power. It's very possible he's got faster hands than Pacquaio and he has a big reach advantage. Supposedly he's easy to hit with his low hands and Pavlik had a good connect percentage but I don't recall much of anything landing flush. Sergio does have a major problem with his footwork in that he's frequently off balance and both Pavlik and Williams scored cheap knockdowns on an off balance Sergio. It's very likely he'll suffer at least one off balance cheap knockdown and possibly a couple and lose rounds he might otherwise win.

    Pacquaio would definitely be the harder puncher and better technically skilled boxer in the fight. His chin is quite solid and he would be looking to bang with Sergio in close or mid range. I suspect Sergio would try to use his long reach and box from the outside and not trade with Manny. Potshot and run, potshot and run.

    Sergio as a decent favorite but a KO is very unlikely. I could actually see Manny signing up for this fight especially if it can be made at 154 with both Sergio's belts on the line though I'd rather see it at 160 myself. Maybe 154 for official weigh in day before and 160 limit on fight day.
     
  11. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i give manny a shot at martinez, hell i think mayweather can beat martinez so i have give manny a shot.manny should have fought the man cotto is fighting and then get his belt and then fight martinez for the middle weight championship.those records would never get broken not atleast while im alive.
     
  12. snake long jab

    snake long jab New Member Full Member

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    slow.?you mean hatton is slow?cotto is slow?JMM is slow?and so on...if you look at this in your perspective,floyd's also been facing fighters tailored for his style. thats why his taking on SSM now to prove us wrong..and thats why the world wants to see floyd vs manny...fighter vs boxer.:D
     
  13. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    prime oscar would of outboxed Pac when Oscar had legs, but because he got past a shell of Delahoya does not mean he's getting past a slick, defensive fighter that happens to have serious pop in his punches like Martinez. Win or lose, though, if Pac takes this fight he gets my respect at least for trying. I think with him beating the winner of Mayweather-Mosley should be enough, but Martinez is too much.
     
  14. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** that, you want to be Middleweight champion of the world deal with the problems of being a real middleweight champion. Sergio Martinez was fighting an 180lbs Kelly Pavlik and won. None of this catch weight crap/hydration weight crap.
     
  15. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Yea that's just an easier way for Pac to win another title.