Lawlor, seriously man?!? Pat Lawlor? Lawlor was awful! He did beat Wilfred Benitez and Roberto Duran back to back though!!! LOL :deal :yep
Well here is what happened: "Throw in" the fact? Throw it in to what? Frankenfrank's bizarre, odd melting pot of biased and incomplete facts supporting perhaps the most disturbed agenda on a currently riddled board? Yes, actually, that makes sense, the idea that you present, that these two wins for a 5-0 pro over a guy on the cusp of the Ring rankings somehow deflates his "aura". Christ, poor Billy Conn, his aura was destroyed before he even got started. In this thread, you've tried to artifiically inflate Liston's amature background for your own reasons, contested that two novice wins over an established proffessional can be seen in a negative light and repeadedly make claims of "exposure" over Summerlin despite the fact that he would go on a nine fight winning streak to break into the Ring rankings. This is in the best traditions of the general forum this "exposed" nonsense. Very bizarre posts from an increasingly bizarre poster.
And what does his being black have to do with it anyway? I mean ffs, the make-up on this board based upon the guys I actually know are 90% white...the whole thing is just as strange as it could be.
It's not just who he beat, it's how he destroyed them ... Williams, Valdez, Folley, Patterson were all crushed ... Machen was easily outpointed .. Sonny was a terrific fighter ..
I don't blame the Klitschkos for this perception at all...but they bring out a kind of militant whiteness on ESB, imo.
True. If a certain young man named Cassius Clay had n't been around in '64,Liston would have been champ for about 3/4 years longer.
as i said , avenging losses is important , no matter to whom , although duran never really avenged his loss to lawlor as lawlor stopped him and he just decisioned lawlor
It depends on who the loss is against, Lawlor sucked big time. The fact that Duran avenged a loss to Lawlor just shows that Duran once lost to Pat ****ing Lawlor!
as i said , duran never fully avenged , if possible at all , that loss , but at least he showed that even at his age he can last the distance with him and win on points. it is still better than leaving the loss as it was and move on. duran at least tried to avenge most of his losses and suceeded in some. mentioning a loss without its retaliation is unfair.
but at least tua was never stopped as a pro , unlike liston whom was stopped 3 times as a pro. and liston never faced dangerous punchers like tua faced , if liston got his jaw broken by a lightheavyweight , just imagine what a darroll wilson or virtually every fighter tua faced could have done to him , let alone lennox lewis , hassim rahman or ibeabuchi . and liston never faced the size disadvantages tua faced. so both P4P and H2H , Tua >> Liston. but i already know it for a long time.