Remember: Haye approached Wladimir more than TWO YEARS AGO!

:happy

 

....well, when you put it THAT way...

l.o.l. I'm on board here.

 

Yeah good advice. Go to youtube. And find Wlad videos saying Haye needs to keep fighting and get his name up. saying he needs to to put on more weight . So Wlad is saying Haye does not weigh enough. Has not had enough fights.

boxing doesnt just throw two of the potential best at each other so soon. You just start watching the sport?

 

So... actually what Haye fans are saying is what everybody knows already; 'If he fights Wlad now he will get his *ss whooped! Haye knows it, his fans know it, Wlad knows it.'
But Haye had to think of that before he ran his mouth, and now he's holding the WBA strap hostage. Way to bring 'exitement' to the division... by ruining the chance of a unified champion! :twisted:

 

lol thats inaccurate to say the least LOL

ADD A FEW MOR YEARS IN WHY DONT YA

 

Ok fine. But Then Haye makes T-Shirts and ads depicting him holding the severed heads of both Klitschko brothers like he's umm....calling them out or something.

If we're being honest here though... I can't blame Haye for pulling out last year to take the fight against Valuev for the WBA belt. It only helped his negotiating power and helped build his name more just like Wlad was advising him to do. Now that he's got a belt, he's KO'd Ruiz, and Wlad is free (and publicly calling him out in HD) We need the fight. The time is now.

 

Haye now appears to have become tainted by the power of the belt. Just like Gollum in Lord of the Rings.

"My precious WBA belt... it's mine!!! Rrrriskk it in unification?? Against that eeevil Ukrainian??? NEVER!!!! It's miiiine... My precious!!!"

Haye will be hogging and blocking his WBA paper belt until both Klits are long retired.

 

im starting to agree with you on the haye being a joke..at hw he has fought c+ level fighters...barret maybe a b- fighter at best and ruiz the same

 

^Barret has NEVER been a B fighter IMO.

 

b- at his best is what i said...c+ fighter overall

 

am suprised with the Haye hate -
yes he challenged Wlad 2 years ago - Wlad said get in line and prove yourself.
So Haye moves up to heavyweight beats Barrett (a top ten fighter as promised with a history of title shots) in retrospect you could say he was old/shot but he trained hard for that fight and came to fight (not just pick up a cheque) he was swinging and taking punishment
Yes Haye backed out in 2008 with an injury - you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for that one - people get hurt - i think the decision may have had something to do with the PPV TV station going bust that week meaning Haye would not get paid - it is a business and being realistic it would have been a big gamble to continue under those circumstances for anyone.
Then came the T-shirts and the trash talk which seriously pissed the klits off (probably because much of what Haye said was true) which meant they negotiated very hard - even harder and meaner than normal - offered him a bum deal with endless re-match clauses and options - which they could do as champions (take it or leave it)
but Haye is smart and saw another way - a way to even the talks up - Valuev and his title
you can say that negotiation was as equally onesided - but nobody really knows and personally i think it made more sense and was probably a much better deal to take that fight - Haye wants unification and so he was going to have to fight him at some stage anyway
yes Valuev has major flaws but his sheer size alone is a real threat to anyone (especially to Haye)
but Haye won convnicingly
so why didn't the klits ever fight Valuev?
Then Haye has to fight Ruiz (the mandatory) - he didn't duck anyone else he had no choice - and again you call the Ruiz old/shot (only after Haye destroyed him) but he trained hard for that fight and came to fight (not just pick up a cheque) he was swinging and taking punishment and getting up off the floor - broken nose, broken jaw, busted ear drums and i dare say Ruiz is still a threat to many of the top 10 even now

Haye wants the Klits - he wants unification - and he believes he will KO both of them - no doubts - but not via a slave contract. - if Wlad offered 50/50 the deal is done - anything less and the negotiations will take longer - but i think it will happen - because both fighters want it - publically Adam Booth isn't gonna say "we want the Klits at any cost" like you seem to want - because that would be stupid (he's about to negotiate!) instead he shows his highest card "you'd better settle for 50/50 quick coz my boy is gonna retire and you will miss out on the big payday (take it or leave it)" - its business brinkmanship and it may take time to settle.

When Wlad called him out it made me lol - Haye isn't running and Wlad knows it - they got snubed - Wlad is just showing his highest card first "if you really wanted to fight me you'd do it at for nothing you mouthy coward (even at 70/30 plus options plus brother plus options) which is my final offer"

If it turns out that Wlad offered 50/50 and Haye said no then i'll take it all back and eat my hat - but somehow i think at 50/50 this fight is definately on - maybe he won't get 50/50 perhaps Haye doesn't deserve it? After all Wlad has 2 titles and many (plodding) defences - but then again Haye has excitment, glamour and a good story as well as a unification history - i think somewhere close to 50/50 will still seal a deal - but add the other brother into the picture (plus options) and the deal gets much more complex - if so then it may take time and may not happen straight away - more brinksmanship

I think Haye is exciting and he has already shock up the division and followed up all his words - Alot of the US heavywieghts are fat and lazy and prepared to stink out a show for the money - I think Haye has shown them up and that is hard to take for some of you

Haye really want these fights and i think he will be a big test for either Klit - they need fights like this if they want "greatness" - I really think Haye thinks he could KO both of them - and maybe he's right neither has been tested for so long

and i hope when a deal is finally announced (fingers crossed) you will give Haye some credit in and out the ring

 

The only reason Haye backed out of fighting Wlad was the TV company he had a contract with Setanta went bust and he wouldnt be paid. Would you fight Wlad for nothing .

 

Actually it wasn't a year ago that Wlad was saying "he can get in the fricken line!" Wlad wants Haye now because he's got a belt, is very high profile and a Haye fight with either Klit would be a unification and a huge PPV attraction. Biggest fight out there. They both want it, its just sorting out a deal that both sides are happy with. Haye wants 50/50. Wlad wants the lions share. Also people forget that Valuev can ask for serious step aside money that will come off the top of Haye's purse...because Valuev gave Haye a voluntary defence with a rematch clause written into it!! Why do people forget those things? Convenient memories??