Joe Frazier vs Wladimir Klitschko

you know whats the irony behind this post?? is that about a good 90% of the posters on ESB are white. sorry man, exposed is a word thats annoyingly thrown around alot in ESB, but your little agenda has been officially exposed. hate to break it to you but any knowledgable boxing fan black or white can tell you the timid giant would get his skull caved in by the smokin one. truth hurts, now you and your facist european friends can resume your masturbation sessions over your great white hero's.

 

great fight. could go either way. i could see wlad ko ing frazier but i also could see frazier as the type to get inside of wlad. great fight

 

Frazier makes him freeze up numerous times, before finally breaking him down for the KO around the 10th.

 

I'm not so sure about that. Most of the reason why guys like Klitschko and Lewis eventually developed cautious styles was because of that fear of what would happen in aggressive fights where their chins were exposed. I can't help but think if Wlad comes out bombing, he's going to be much more vulnerable to Frazier than by keeping a steady pace using the jab-right hand. Joe always took awhile to get started, but if you're going to head right towards him, it becomes less of an issue. Could Wlad go Foreman on Frazier ? His size and power make it look like he could. But, even in the Foreman fight Frazier landed some big punches on George. The difference was that Foreman could stand up to them; I'm not sure Wlad could.

 

the only idiot around here is you, you claim all the black people would vote for frazier and that the vast majority of boxing fans are black automatically pulling out the race card. are you not aware that ESB's members are majority white foreign and american? notice how out of 7 pages of debating you were the only one to pull out the race card. now why is that? why would you assume that everyone that thinks frazier would cream wlad is black? are you still stuck in the stone ages? do you think just because he was a black fighter he would have a majority black following? you ever think for a second that not everyone places the klitschkos on this pedastol of immortality like you do? do you know how many white people i know that reminsce about how amazing joe frazier was? well i can tell you this, it GREATLY outweighs the number of blacks that even know who joe frazier is let alone what he was like in the ring. so you can sit back and await the future flaming your gonna recieve in the future.

 

this was a response to this:

you assumed that the people that voted frazier were black, when in reality 80% of the posters that favored frazier in this matchup are white. fighting weight, tommyV, mcgrain, petetheprince are all white. hate to break it to you man, but unlike you skin color doesnt cloud their judgment. unlike you they actually see frazier's STYLE, not his SKIN, as a nightmare for wlad. for a foreigner you sure cling to 1950's america logic more than any white person ive ever known:-(

 

Funny thing is, Frazier was pegged as the white man's champion. Incorrect, of course, but to say that only black fight fans respect his style disregards the fact that his rivalry with Ali earned him a lot of fans with white Americans back in the day.

As for this match up, I just don't see how Wlad earns Frazier's respect. Frazier only got stopped by one of the hardest uppercuts in Heavyweight history (a punch that Wlad doesn't seem to have in his repertoire) and by the fastest jab and footwork in Heavyweight history (Wlad's fast and has a decent jab, but nowhere near the level of Ali. I believe even Steward said that big men over 6'4 begin to lose a lot of fluidity in their movement). In addition, Foreman and Ali possessed some of the best chins in the history of the sport and never feared having to trade and take some punishment to beat Frazier. There's nothing in Wlad's career to suggest that he'd be willing to stand and trade with Frazier when he inevitably got caught (not even Ali was able to avoid Frazier forever). More importantly, there's nothing in his career to suggest that he'd survive that onslaught.

I think Frazier would have a much harder time with Vitali, personally. Vitali lets his hands go much more, has the similar size advantages, and possesses the better chin of the two. I'd give him Vitali a much better chance of being able to replicate the Foreman model to beating Joe.

 

That was very well written and thought out.


Keith

 

lol dont take my word for it dumb ass, ask them!! ive been here for a while to know who's who.and the fact that you assume the majority of posters on here are black because everyone favors joe frazier in a fantazy matchup against the timid giant just proves how much of an ignorant scumbag you are. and thanks for lumping blacks all together in the same category. would it kill you to know that i have more white friends than i do black friends? and that some of my current favorite fighters are white: kevin mitchell, lucian bute, denis boytsov, and many more. ooh yea, didnt know you were talking to a black guy did you?

 

lol, you're comprehension skills are beyond abysmal. Not only did i even hint at that but again, you just automatically assumed it. are you unaware of the hole your digging for yourself keeps getting deeper?

 

To be fair wlad is too big too fast and too great at what he does he has no flaws at the moment aprt from being gun shy. I see this going foreman frazier style

 

whatever, you cant even read properly yet im supposed to believe you can make a proper analysis? buddy, just leave. you're not getting any support from your brethern so why continue?