Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams vs David "The Terminator" Tua - Who would have won?

Me incorrectly calling Williams a "teenager" for being 20 years old, is the same as you calling satterfield a light-heavyweight when he knocked out Williams, despite him weighing above 175lb. Looks like the egg is in your face.

 

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Seamus do you need a napkin?

 

ohh... he was a pound and a half over the limit.

you need some hobbies.

 

SuzieQ,

"20 year old teenager" is funny. C'mon, laugh.

 

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He was KO'd rather quickly, though. Not once as an incident, but twice. Early. What other punchers did he face? There's the former lightheavy Satterfield, but then he knocked Williams out early, too.

It's similar to this spin "well only Foreman, Shavers and Cooney knocked out Norton, they could knock out any man!". So what? He folded when he took the first big punch, just like Williams did.

Outboxed? Last time i checked, Oquendo, Maskaev, Izonritei and Rahman all ended getting knocked out. What's next, Ruiz was outboxing him as well? You think LaStarza (rematch) outboxed Marciano because he won some early rounds? Come to think of it, Folley pretty much outboxed Ali, too.

 

Cleveland Williams has all the skill, power, and hand speed to outbox the Tuaman, I would bet on him if this were to actually happen, but I just think that it's very possible that Tua would catch Cleveland Williams in the later rounds with a lead left hook.
But I like Cleveland William's hand speed against Tua's chin and power..

 

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1. Why do you hold the satterfield loss against Williams so much? He was just 20 years old. He had not yet physically matured. He was a very late substitute for the fight. It was a huge step up in class for Williams at the time. Even Lou Visconti viewed this as a "little to lose, everything to gain" type fight, because the more experienced satterfield was the favorite.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...74546&dq=cleveland+williams+satterfield&hl=en

Couldn't liston do that against any man? I am impressed with the way he went right after liston in both fights, breaking sonny's nose, backing him up, and forcing liston to make a tough fight of it.

Fair point.

1. I am a huge David Tua fan. He has demonstrated to me some of the greatest clutch power out of anyone i have ever seen on film. You don't have to argue with me about David Tua. I love the guy.

2. Yes he was getting outboxed..badly. In some fights(against mediocre opposition) he was getting near shut out before scoring a heroic like come from behind knockout. Against better opposition, it will be hard for him to score that late clutch Kayo.

I don't like the examples you used. Marciano was ahead on the cards after 10 rounds vs lastarza, as was ali with folley. Tua, on the otherhand, was far behind on the cards vs Oquendo, Maskaev and Rahman..In fact he barely won a round against those guys before the knockout. Even Izon, I thought, was ahead against Tua.

 

Tua KO1

 

"For all his great attributes he had some bad habits"

He really leaves himself wide open when he throws that left from somewhere out in the back forty. I think Williams is very vulnerable to anyone who throws quick, short punches and steps inside that left.

 

Well a fast sharpshooter like Eddie Machen certainly had trouble expoiting this "flaw". What made Williams so special was the fact that he combined fast speed with his size and power. Typical Big Sluggers usually lacked speed. But Williams had it. His gifted reflexes allowed him to throw that left hook from "somewhere in the back fourty"/