Light - Heavyweight History Hd 2 Hd debate

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by sugarsean, Apr 22, 2010.


  1. teeto

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    Okay seen as though Sugar seems offline lets do it. Any thoughts?
     
  2. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm online, whenever your ready let me know :good
     
  3. teeto

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    I'm here now mate. Moore-Loughran then?
     
  4. Pachilles

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    awww
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AH7e3qK0EA[/ame]
     
  5. sugarsean

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    yeah no problem, you want me to start with my view of the two fighters, or you want to start, up to you :good
     
  6. teeto

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    Haha, why don't you get involved in the thread? You're welcome like.
     
  7. teeto

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    I'll give a little insight then. I have no doubt that Loughran is capable of beating Moore, it's just that it's only fair and proper to consider the best version of both. Moore could find himself on the end of Loughran's great jab and when trying to force himself under it/picking it off etc his attacks might get countered. Moore is the better fighter and has more tools imo, but Loughran might be the most effective pure boxer the division ever saw.

    Yourself?
     
  8. sugarsean

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    Yeah I think Moore's the better fighter, but Tommy's very effective at what he doe's he strictly a counter puncher, likes to use the jab and ties you up when you get to close.

    what do you think each fighter needs to do in order to win ?
     
  9. sugarsean

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    or shall I go first
     
  10. teeto

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    Be my guest!
     
  11. sugarsean

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    right well we already know how Tommy's gonna aproach this fight, but with Moore I think he can try two, the first is most obvious is to be bring the fight to Tommy and put the pressure on, and trap him in the corner or on the ropes behind his great cross armed defence and try to land his great over hand right or left hook, or the second option is to box on the backfoot behind his jab to try and make Tommy come to him and set a trap for the over hand right, I thnk this would work but the only problem is I don't think Tommy would go for it and I think it would then just probably turn into a boring fight where there's a lot of ringcraft but not a lot of action,

    so i think it's best for Moore to do the first option.
     
  12. teeto

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    Yeah, as much as i really enjoy watching Moore on the outside i've got to favour Loughran in a boxing match. He just doesn;t give anything away. That said, i've read that Tunney used judgement of distance to get the better of Loughran. On the outside, Moore feints so well, bobs, weaves, keeps probing for openings and creates and exploits them in the process, it's great to watch from a technical point of view. Loughran though, with his defensive frame of mind would be constantly jabbing whilst Moore does this, annoying him and provoking his man to launch attacks, Loughran wants you to do that, he just steps aside and you run into nothing.

    It would be interesting to see if Moore could counter the jab with that oh so great right hand he posessed, it would undoubtedly have some success.

    Do you edge towarda anybody?

    Anyone else got any views?
     
  13. sugarsean

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    Yeah I'm favouring Moore, I don't think Tommy's fought a Lightheavy as good as Moore ( and he has fought a lot of good fighters at the weight) but Moore was special at Lightheavy, I think he knows how to cut of the ring and and get on the inside of Tommy great jab, and if Tommy ties him up, Moore knows how to work in a clinch, Moore was a real master of ring craft.

    your thoughts ?
     
  14. sugarsean

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    and setting up the overhand right is the key
     
  15. teeto

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    I've got to say a lot of people would disagree there, on Loughran never fighting anyone as good as Moore that is. Gre and Tunney were two of the best ever at this poundage. There's some speculation on Tunney not being quite what he is heralded as, but i don;t buy that personally. Greb might have the best resume in and around the weight himself actually, though he is regarded higher at middle.

    Anyhow, i think i'm leaning towards Loughran. It's about time we disagreed anyway, it only makes for healthy debate which is what this is about. I just keep thinking that there's no bona fide way to beat Moore, as it can apparently be done more than one way. For instance Burley outboxed him using hard shots and Charles apparently outfought him. My only beef with picking Loughran is that Moore has more tools and if he can implement them to effect can Loughran deal with it?

    I'm not really ready to decide yet though. I'm not convinced i've observed this from all angles, you?