Your opinions on Mayweather now?

Nah that's a myth that has been way too overstated, Cotto was never in any real serious danger against Mosley and Mosley knew it as well which is why Mosley asked the ref to put a pause on the fight which the gif image below clearly shows, if Mosley really would have had Cotto in serious danger I doubt he would let a wet spot on the canvas prevent him from doing what he had to do.

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Oh I'm sorry I forget that Ali and Robinson are sacred. atsch How could I forget such a thing.

 

I think he's ahead of Ali, as Ali's greatness also came from what he did outside the ring and his mythical status. I'm not trying to underrate Ali, but he is generally overrated, and would have had problems with lots of the best fighters at his weight. PBF is, and was head and shoulders above most of the best fighters in his division.
Robinson accomplished more than PBF, and PBF doesn't have enough time to catch up to Ray's career accomplishments. I will say that Floyd was the smarter of the two inside the ring, but unless Floyd moves up again and takes another title, you've got to give it to Ray.
If Floyd beats Pac, Berto, and then Williams at 154, I might have to go with him.

 

Are you two kidding?

I mean, seriously now: Ali has wins over at least two of the other top 10 men in his division and this can go up to 4 in the top 10-15, (depending on how you rank Liston and Patterson) two of the greatest light heavyweights, and a stacked list of contenders.

Has Floyd beat anybody, just 1 person who would be ranked within the all time top 10-15 of the multiple weight divisions he has fought in?

How exactly does a victory over a 38 year old fighter not in the top 10 of a division's history catapult you that far in the rankings? :huh

 

Doesn't really change much. Thought he'd have too much for Shane and he did. Still think he'll pull out a fairly close decision against Pac.

I was impressed by how he went about the job though. The punch he took in round 2 proved that his chin is good, but more importantly it showed that he has excellent recovery skills, in that he didn't panic, he held on and he cleared his head. In fairness Mosley is generally a good finisher. I would have liked to see how Floyd reacted had Mosley been able to tag him with another big shot immediately after. I assume he would have went down but it would have been interesting to see how he picked himself up. Props to Floyd he demonstrated a warriors heart in there.

 

If you were really sorry...you'd stop talkin' now.

 

Yeah, had nothing to do with him beating Joe Frazier x2, George Foreman, Sonny Liston x2, Floyd Patterson x2, Ken Norton x2, and practically every other Heavyweight that was even remotely relevant during his time.

Please, give me a ****ing break on that bull**** about what he did outside of the ring making him greater than he really is. He beat EVERYONE!

I think your alias is ******ed, your avatar is the most homosexual thing I've ever seen, and your input is equally as terrible. Just one big package of steaming ****.

 

Dude, tell me how you really feel. I never said that Ali wasn't great, because he was. He one of the best HW's of all time. I love the way he let his opponents beat the **** out of him until they were too tired to throw any more punches. That's the kind of ring intelligence that will keep me from being a vegetable in my later years.

Historically Ali has the better resume. Was he the better fighter? That is for you to judge. I, personally, think Floyd is a better fighter than Ali was. To each his own.

If my alias seems ******ed to you, oh well, you are entitled to your opinion. If my avatar seems gay, then good, because that's what I was going for. You are very observant, you must have your gaydar on. My hot, young wife will tell you that I'm am very heterosexual, though. If you don't like my input then don't respond to it. Have a good day, kind sir.







Eat my kids. :gayfight

 

I take nothing away from Ali. He was one of the best ever at the game. Floyd hasn't accomplished as much as Ali because the competition he's faced hasn't matched up well against him. He blew out Genaro Hernandez and made him quit. He beat Castillo, which was a good legitimate win. He totally dominated Corrales, He blasted out a prime Hatton, beat ODLH, Gatti and now Mosely. ODLH was close, so was the first Castillo fight, but for the most part, Floyd totally dominated the opposition. He's had a great career.
Ali's career is legendary, but just because he's had so many good wins doesn't mean he was the better fighter. What would have happened if the last Norton fight was given to Kenny, or Shavers or Young got the nod? There are a lot of several fights where Ali was just given the benfit of the doubt because he was Ali.

 

...To be fair, I'm gob-smacked that I didn't get cussed out after what I said. Your criminally underrating Muhammad Ali whilst overrating Money Mayweather, but your alright otherwise. :good

Your posts seem to have great emphasis on past prime Muhammad Ali, especially in bringing up his fights with Shavers and Young, that's testament to how extra-ordinary Muhammad had been during his peak years.

 

I may be underrating Ali, but you are underrating Mayweather. He's still dominating his opposition into his 30's, even after a two-year layoff.

The 60's Ali is held in mythical proportions because of the 3 years lost, but who knows what would have happened? He would have face Joe Frazier sooner, but we can't say what how that fight would have gone because Frazier always would have given Ali trouble.

Truth to be told, it's very understanding why a person would rate Ali over Money, but I don't think Ali had the ring generalrship and boxing IQ that Floyd has. I'm not saying this to devalue Ali. I just believe Mayweather is that good.

 

I see a recurring theme when people are suggesting Muhammad Ali isn't as great as many consider him to be. They bring up the fights at the tail end of his career, and yet, we never do that with any other elite fighter that I can think of. You talk about Mayweather dominating in his 30s after a two year lay off. Muhammad Ali came back after a three year lay off, and went straight into fighting the top contenders in his division, not a blown up Middleweight. Moreover, Muhammad Ali, despite being past his best physically, would go on to clean out his division...a division which included both Joe Frazier and George Foreman.

Muhammad was a BADDDD man, and he earned that by beating stellar opposition in a Boxing ring, not because he talked big outside of it.

 

The only thing that changed is I know he's a full-fledged welter now who can crack. Other than that I wasn't overly impressed. I was more shocked at how bad Shane Mosley looked.

 

In all fairness, Mayweather made him look bad. Mosley just couldn't adapt and get anywhere near him.

I was impressed with him on saturday, I honestly didn't think he'd be able to make Mosley look so bad...I was sat there in shock for the most of it.

I just hope the next 2-3 fight he has are against good opponents.

I also can't see Pac beating him at all.