protege of immortal,made name not boxing

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  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No,not Art Aragon
    Hint- I was described as a pixyish character...
     
  2. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, his fighting career did not make him famous...
    Stablemate of a boximg immortal
    Fought for many years
    Remained in the game in another capacity
    Is associated with a later boxing legend
     
  3. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you mean the gangster who was rubbed out in the late fifties, Henry?
     
  4. bum of the week

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    Could it be Charley Goldman???
    He is reported to have had more than hundred fights, but I don't know if he was stablemate of any legendary fighter.
     
  5. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This couldn't be Jack Ruby, could it? He was associated with Barney Ross in his younger days. I think he boxed a bit, but 136 fights?
     
  6. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes finally, Charley Goldman
    Charley Goldman when he starte boxing at age 16 was a companion and stablemate of the immortal,Terrible Terry McGovern...He started fighting in NYC and had about137 recorded fights and double the fights not on record..Goldman became a famous trainer of Al McCoy,Johnny Risko,Lou Ambers, Marty Servo, and of course Rocky Marciano, which made Goldman famous...
    When I was a youngster I would see Charley Goldman,sometimes wearing a black derby at Stillman's Gym, NYC..Quite a pixy looking character was Goldman....
     
  7. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Goldman is listed as having 117 bouts by BoxRec. I thought you were talking about someone who made a name for himself outside of boxing. I left before 3 PM, so I didn't see your last hint.

    Remained in the game in another capacity
    Is associated with a later boxing legend

    Very Good!
     
  8. burt bienstock

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    hh,according to Wikipedia,Charley Goldman had 137 recorded fights,and Goldman claimed to have over 400 bouts,most of them quasi fights of that long ago time...
    Incidentally hh, I KNOW from a personal experience that I related to ESB awhile back, that Wikipedia, BoxRec etc.have ommited ONE fight that I attended, and has NEVER been recorded. I hate to bring this up again,but I will..In the early 1950s I saw a fight between Ray Robinson and Bobby Dykes,at the old outdoor arena called the Coney Island Veledrome..Robinson won the decision in a lack luster bout. My instinct tells me that it was their second fight as they did fight on Nov.8,1950 in Chicago, so this fight was much later on.
    I know that in BoxRec Robinson is listed as fighting a Billy Brown Sept.4,1950 in New York...But I saw Robinson against popular Bobby Dykes, a tall welterweight contender of that era...I remember a late Ray Robinson arriving in his fuscia colored Caddy,with his entourage going into the arena one half hour late...No record of that fight I witnessed,have I seen...It still is a mystery to this day,that a Ray Robinson fight witnessed by thousands, including yours truly,is not recorded in ANY record books..
    Incidentally the old Coney Island Veledrome was the old arena where Jim Jeffries fought Fitzimmons, Tom Sharkey,and Jim Corbett in 1899 and 1900.The old arena was torn down in the middle 1950s....B.B.