Should the Williams - Cintron bout be a NC ?

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    After the strange fight ending I see a lot of treads about the frogleap from Kermit and the way the fight was scored.

    With the actual facts and assumptions we have, should it be a No Contest and should there be a rematch?

    Assumtions and facts in order.

    - Before the incident it was a very competitive bout.
    - Kermit's fall trough the ropes looked like a 'leap'. (It's in his name! :D).
    - Cintron did state to the doctors that he wanted to continue (possible with 5 minutes recovery time) but the doctors didn't want to take the risk due to the nature of the fall.
    - The CSAC states that in case of an accident the bout should go to the scorecards as soon as bell of the 4th round sounded. (Only state with this rule).
    - The ABC states however that at least 4 rounds should be completed before going to the scorecards and otherwise it would be ruled a NC. Wich means in any other state or country besides Calafornia this fight would have been a No Contest.
    - Cintron want's the fight ruled a NC (no surprise there) and wants a rematch.
    - Williams however says he 'won legitimately' (no surprise there either), and wants no part of a rematch.

    I wanted to include the options "Kermit should go back to Sesame Street where he belongs!" and "Williams is a b*tch for not wanting a rematch with Kermi!" but it would only end up in a flame poll, so you have to do it with the options above.
     
  2. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    Crazy ****ing ending. I think its stupid to have the fight go to the cards before 4 rounds are complete, who the **** came up with the stupid idea to judge a 3 1/2 round fight?? Kermit got screwed in this one, especially since he was doing so well leading up to his weird ass leap out of the ring
     
  3. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rules are rules. Each camp, and their promoters are briefed thoroughly on them before signing a contract, and before entering the ring. It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the 3 1/2 Round rule, because it's agreed upon before the fight. Case closed.



    As far as a rematch? I would like to see one. I think it would go more like the Martinez fight, except Kermit wouldn't land as many solid blows as Sergio, and he would wilt quickly after about 7 Rounds.



    I think he's a good guy who just had a freak accident. But he was not screwed!
     
  4. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    I mean, according to Cali's rules no, but if there was any justice it would be. Bull**** ending and bull**** result. There should be a rematch asap.
     
  5. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    That was simply unbelievable and an absolute farce IMO. I really like both fighters and I had Williams winning this 1 pre-fight, but what an anticlimax!

    To top it off, the referee didn’t seem to no what was going on either! 1 minute he said it should be a no contest, and the next he says the fight took place under Californian rules and only 3 rounds needed to be completed. The UK commentator claimed he had the promoters rules in front of him which stated that 4 rounds needed to be completed for a fight to go to the cards which did not happen!

    It seems to me that the outcome was decided to ensure the ‘bigger name’ got the win. Absolute bollocks, pure and simple! And thats coming from a Williams fan before people say im hating
     
  6. joeh2701

    joeh2701 Member Full Member

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    If anyone has any sense it should be a NC and a rematch should take place.
     
  7. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You aren't hating, you are misinformed. Your UK announcer had it completely wrong. That's just the plain facts. No way of getting around it. California Rules state that as long as the bell has sounded beginning the 4th Round, the fight goes to the scorecards, with each Round being scored including the partial one. End of.

    As far as the actual scoring, the judges were put in a real bind in this one. Each Round could have legitimately been disagreed on by objective viewers. Tough rounds to score. I won't even pretend to be unbiased about it, so my scorecard isn't even worth entering into an objective discussion.
     
  8. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    No u misunderstand. The UK commentator stated that the promotors had given him info before the fight stating that 4 rounds needed to be completed before they went to the cards, meaning that ABC rules applied rather than Califronian rules. The referee seemingly didnt even no what was going on as he declared it should have been a no contest first, then claimed they was fighting under Cali rules.

    It was just unbelievable IMO. No 5 minuite rule applied as the doctors feared for Cintron's safety after he said he was fine, just catching his breathe? Seems weird to me! and i stayed up until gone 4 AM to watch it lol!
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rules are rules but in this case, i think a NC makes more sense.
     
  10. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The UK Commentator is full of ****.

    A- I was at the weighin when they read the rules of the fight. It took like 15 minutes for them to read them all.

    B- I was in the ****ing locker room when they read the goddamn rules on (1)Fouls, (2)Stoppages, and (3)Referee Instructions

    Your UK Commentator is absolutely wrong on this one.
     
  11. dezal

    dezal New Member Full Member

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    Strange how Cintron gets knocked out by Martinez - complains about it for a couple of minutes or so and somehow carries on but against a top american falls over and they wont let him continue and go straight to scorecards !

    What goes aroung comes around Kermit - against Martinez u were the home fighter and somehow rules were changed to suit you and a year on and you are crying about miscarriage of justice
     
  12. Boom_Boom

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    It should be a NC but I dont want it to change.

    Cintron says he'll quit the sport of boxing if the result stays as it is and for that reason I like for the ruling to stay.
     
  13. Vano-Irons

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    Alrite m8 nice 1! thanks for the update! He must have misread it or something. Cheers
     
  14. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    Those are the rules, but in this case they should apply common sense. No decisions should be made until ATLEAST 4 rounds are completed IMO, because that is the lowest general standard of rounds a fight can go.
     
  15. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    cintron deserves nothing but to never fight again