Has Pacman fought anybody as good as Mosley?

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  1. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    you should have specified. and ask yourself a question since you're calling people moron, how was cotto FAR better then mosley, when cotto beat mosley by a close decision?
     
  2. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is that a serious question?

    You mean appart from the fact Mosley was 2 1/2 years older and late 30's being the point were most sport scientists agree athletic ability will be deteriorating.
    In the Mayorga fight he wasn't anything special at all.
    The fact Margo didn't have his dried pads to help him overrates that win because Margo was overrated to begin with.
    His 38 year old body had already been trained for Berto and to have to do it again at 38 could have taken it's toll.
    Not fighting for 15 months prior to Mayweather.
    Mosley could have been on something extra for previous fights, something he couldn't for Floyd.

    Cotto at the time of the Pac fight had just turned 29, still well within his athletic peak.
    Appart from the Margocheato farce should have been undefeated when facing Pac as opposed to Shanes 5 loses prior to Mayweather.
    He beat Shane when Mosley had more in the tank.
    He was far more active than Mosley.

    If you're honestly asking why a 29 year old 1 loss, active, hungry fighter is a far better opponent than a 38 year old who's two fights prior to Floyd were nothing special, who'd been sitting on his arse not doing much and who looked like complete **** in the ring.

    Well that's your cross to bare, pretty much everyone without rose tinted specs sees it that way.
     
  3. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    totally agreed....
     
  4. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    What exactly did PBF did in the first 2 that would make Mosley breath out of his mouth? If you are hurt you would be discombobulated- not breathing out of your mouth. Even young fat freak Arreola don't gas in the first 3 round of his fights.

    If you are talking about 7, 8 or the other later rounds then you might have an argument. But the first 2,3 rounds? Come on.
     
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    :patsch
     
  6. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    well, this is pretty easy, you ready. you have to keep up

    - you brought up mayorga as a sign of mosley deteriorating. you not the only one who has mentioned this so you didnt reveal any shocking revelation. ok, this shouldnt be hard to follow for you. mosley fought mayorga at 154, a wieght class mosley NEVER looked special in, so that should solve the mystery you had about how he looked against mayorga. and did you know mayorga weighed 170 lbs. not easy muscling around a man who weighs as much as a light heavyweight. and for all that, mosley still koed mayroga, brutally.

    - so after knocking out mayroga, mosley goes back to 147, a weight class more natural for him, and he destroys magarito, a fight many thought he would lose because people like you thought he was looked like trash against mayorga without taking into account that was at 154 and mayorga size, not to mention how awkward mayorga is. now even after mosley destroys margo, you want to use the weak excuse that margo didnt have the "bricks" or margo was just overrated. lame, you gotta come with some better stuff.

    -of course margo bricks(more then likely he used against cotto but is not 100%) helped against cotto, and all the other fighters he used it against but ther fact is cotto couldnt hurt margo at all. not having bricks against mosley didnt lead to mosley knocking margo out, it was the punches mosley landed that did, if you didnt know. it wasnt a shock that margo knocked out cotto. cotto was believe to be a fighter with a fragile chin for years. however, when after margo got caught with bricks, now everything is in question, so you cant be so sure cotto would have beaten magro. you dont even know he had those bricks at the time.


    - as for cotto beating mosley, yeah he won it fair and square but it was a close fight, that many were calling for a rematch considering mosley hurt him late and won the latter rds. so if you think that winning a fight against an opponent by 2 or 3 points means you're FAR better, then maybe you need to look at what you're saying. they fought close to even terms.

    and how bout the comment that "cotto was hungrier then mosley". you really want to stick with that one? mosley called out mayweather right after the marquez fight and challened him. he was chasing mayweather for months because he wasnted that big fight after the imrpessive margo outing anf with the berto fight falling through, this was his chance at a big fight. and he targeted two people, mayweather and pacquaio, the two biggest names in the game. team pac refused, even after mosley said he was willing to go down to 140. if you dont that hungry, then what do you call it?:lol:


    as for the other things you said, like what sports scientist say about athletes, well according to what you said about your scientist, mosley at 37 shoudlt have koed margo since he was deteriorated, the only man to ever knock him out. did the 15 months off hurt mosley? maybe, but how can you be so sure based on the mayweather fight. because he got tired? didnt dlh get tired, didnt judah get tired, etc. why did they ALL get tired? maybe you should answer that one.

    all in all, pac has generally fought the better fighters then mayweather. you can say that marquez and barerra and morales of the 1st pac fight was better the mosley, but it wasnt by as much as you say. lets not forget mosley at one time was p4p 1 years back, something those other three can never say. of course mosley is not in his prime anymore and much older but that shows what he is capable of. he showed flashes of the young mosley against margo. but as for the weltereights, there is no solid evidence that cotto was better the mosley
     
  7. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    :-( where did you see mosley gasping for air in the 3rd rd? maybe you imagined it? and why the are even mentioning the 2nd rd, that was Mosley's best rd, where rocked the **** out of mayweather. the 3rd, mayweather made an adjustment by pressuirng mosley and getting of first and quickly getting back to defense, so mosely couldnt not land a big shot like he did in the 2nd rd.
     
  8. Bazooka

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    To answer the question, Yes Pac fought Miguel Cotto who beat Shane Mosley, and Pac for his part knocked out Miguel Cotto.
     
  9. sdsfinest22

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    YEA...3RD BEST IN THE WORLD WHEN FLOYD BEAT HIM ACTUALLY:good THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, MANNY PACQUIAO, TURNED HIM DOWN FOR SOME REASON..I THINK THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SHANE BEING TOO GOOD
     
  10. Nokstar

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    lol is this a serious question? HOw soon we forget cotto beat mosley and he also fought marquez...cmon man.
     
  11. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Morales in the first fight was better than shane...morales beat pac that fight too..not the 2nd and 3rd fights though

    barrera was better than shane in the first fight..not the 2nd

    jmm was better than shane in the 2nd fight for sure...arguably the 1st fight too...

    Cotto was right on par with shane...got em about even...
     
  12. Gunns4hire

    Gunns4hire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    didnt the thread starter say over 140!!!!

    why do i keep hearing prime marquez this or barerra that!!!

    hatton, clottey, cotto, and dlh....were not better fighters than the 38yr old mosley...

    the only toss up would be cotto....but grant it cotto won against mosley...the post margo cotto fighting the post margo mosley would have lost

    there is no doubt in my mind that mosley would have went in as the favorite against cotto the second time around after he koed margo
     
  13. SHERPAKOVSKI

    SHERPAKOVSKI Fastest Legs on ESB Full Member

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    COTTO a guy who dominate MOSLEY.

    And FLOYD even said COTTO **** you up SHANE!
     
  14. Ring Master

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    b/c he edited it later, while the original post did not reflect the 140 rule stipulation.
     
  15. Gunns4hire

    Gunns4hire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ooh ok