? about the philly shell and defending the straight right

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by wordisbond, Jul 2, 2010.


  1. wordisbond

    wordisbond Active Member Full Member

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    I know many are taught to deflect the straight right with your shoulder when your opponent is aiming at your chin. However, when your opponent decides to throw his right at your temple, are you quick enough to notice his intention and slip the right or duck at the last moment?
     
  2. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not sure you should be trying to deflect straight rights with your left shoulder. :huh The shoulder is to stop the left (jabs, hooks) and right straights to the body. The rear hand parries (stuffs) and blocks hooks and straights. (Plus head movement.)

    Why not just slide your glove to the point where your thumb is on your for head and block/parry? Roll and slide the rear hand a bit forward. If he keeps throwing? Bend, step out, jab (set up), throw the uppercut.

    Maybe I don't get what you mean?
     
  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    You need to play less fightnight
     
  4. sKills

    sKills Member Full Member

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    ass hole :yep
     
  5. wordisbond

    wordisbond Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry maybe my question wasn't clear. Say you want to deflect a straight right or even the jab with your shoulder. Aren't you worried that the punch could be thrown slightly higher than you anticipated and you end up taking a shot to the temple or forehead? How can you be sure that he's throwing at your chin (where the shoulder roll can be effective) as opposed to him throwing at your temple when the punches are coming at such fast rate?


    I don't use the philly shell, I'm just curious as to how guys are able to stand comfortably in front of someone with their lead guard hand down. In time though, I'd like to be able to use this defense on occasion.
     
  6. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    philly shell was the name given to the shoulder roll and/or half guard in the game fight night!

    it was not invented in Philadelphia.
     
  7. MagicMan91

    MagicMan91 The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    :lol: Exactly my thoughts
     
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  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Next thing he'll be asking why his opponents stamina doesn't go down fast enough with bodyshots and why there is no slow mo when he makes someone miss.
     
  10. karatekid530

    karatekid530 Milwaukee's Best Full Member

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    c'mon guys he rephrased the question and it's stated a lot better now, and he can't help it if he knows the fight night name if he's new to the sport. To answer the question or at least offer my two cents: it's like anything in boxing, practice makes perfect. If you lack quick reflexes or the means to effectively use that style of defense then your coach, if he's any good at his job, should be constantly pushing you to use a full guard or solve the problem however he sees fit. Regardless of how you choose to defend yourself or throw a punch, the only way to get a feel for it is to train and spar and learn the ins and outs of it. I'm sure people who use the shell caught plenty of punches tweaking their game 'til it either worked for them or they dropped it for a different guard.

    People like PBF, Sweet Pea, RJJ and Ali are gifted athletes and anomalies in the sport of boxing, and if you try to learn to box by only studying them then you're in for a hell of a time.
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Blocking punches with your shoulder takes a great deal of skill and timing. You'd be better served learning the fundamentals then the 'shell'!
     
  12. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl
     
  13. Relentless

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    but its practice which makes it perfect imo

    i was taught how to fight conventional but when i was against the ropes one time i realized i couldn't see much when i blocked, so i started practicing the shoulder roll, obviously the first few times it didn't go too great but once i got the hang of it i was able to counter with over hand/straight rights much easier than i ever could with a full guard.
     
  14. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you need to ask questions about fighting out of a half guard, you are probably not experienced enough to be fighting out of a half guard.
    I know that sound like a dickish thing to say, but it's true.

    Learn the basics inside out first! Then start experimenting and studying less orthodox methods. You'll develop an eye and a feel for what works and doesn't.
     
  15. karatekid530

    karatekid530 Milwaukee's Best Full Member

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    i feel like pointing out that he never said he's fighting with a half guard, it sounded like an idle curiosity he felt like asking about.